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“Truth is truth, I don't care who offend when the truth speak.”
Bob Marley
Yeah guess what? Me neither.
It's a perversion of the faith.
White Christian Nationalism ‘Is a Fundamental Threat to Democracy’
“These are beliefs that, we argue, reflect a desire to restore and privilege the myths, values, identity, and authority of a particular ethnocultural tribe,” they write. “These beliefs add up to a political vision that privileges the tribe. And they seek to put other tribes in their proper place.”
(Let me tell you something, God doesn't care about your ethnocultural tribe, not in the least, he cares about ALL of his creation, not just your lil subset in your lil corner of the world)
"When white Americans take our surveys and answer questions about whether the United States is a Christian nation or we don’t need a separation of church and state or we should advocate Christian values in the government, for them, it is powerfully associated with things like nostalgia and authoritarianism and a certain vision of America’s history as this kind of mythic story: that we have a special relationship with God and that there is this kind of place that we are going — this deep story.
(There is your perversion of the truth right there. Come show me where you find that in scripture. "We have Americanized the scripture" I have heard more than pastor say...yup. My own opinion is this: We are not even mentioned in scripture but a couple of times, Revelation and Daniel to be more precise and by the time things really get rolling? We are next to irrelevant except for our military, don't think so? take a look around...eyes that see etc)
Kinda nails it:
Gorski: The other reason I think we really use that term “white Christian nationalism” is that it connects policy preferences that we associate with the Christian right to an underlying narrative that connects those positions. I think a lot of folks go, “Well, gosh, how can you be anti-abortion and pro-gun?” and “How can you claim you’re pro-life but also be pro-death-penalty?” What does supporting the police or opposing masks and vaccines have to do with being a Christian? It doesn’t really make sense if you just look at it from a perspective of Christian ethics. But it does make sense if you think about it in terms of this underlying narrative or story about white Christian nationalism. And, in particular, I think here it’s important to understand this thing that we call the “holy trinity” of white Christian nationalism in the book: freedom, order, and violence. Which means a kind of libertarian freedom for people like us — “us” being, above all, straight, white, native-born Christian men — order for everybody else, which means racial and gender order above all else, and that kind of righteous violence directed against anybody who violates that order.
("...how can you be anti-abortion and pro-gun?” and “How can you claim you’re pro-life but also be pro-death-penalty?” What does supporting the police or opposing masks and vaccines have to do with being a Christian?"
I'm gonna give you the answer you really don't wanna hear:
None of the above has a (explicative omited) thing to do with being a Christian. Absolutely none of it. Period. It a perversion of your faith and as I've said before it's course correction time.)
'...it puts people like them at the center of the American story and it puts the American story at the center of the cosmic drama. White Christians like us are the real Americans, and America is the exceptional nation, the chosen nation that is playing a special role in the battle between good and evil. The end-times, etc. So who doesn’t want to be at the center of the cosmic drama?"
(Back that up with scripture and I'll be glad to listen to you. The fact is the scripture says something quite the opposite:
Daniel 2:43-44
And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.
( There's a better example of a "melting pot" of a country and what happens to it eventually somewhere else in scripture? Please...come share with me...I must have missed something along the way somewhere.)
“In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.
The fact is we are no different than all the other kingdoms that came before, they every last one will end in the same manner, crushed by Gods Kingdom. Amen.)
"Another part of this is that, frankly, a lot of people in these communities are socialized into believing it because there is an entire Christian nationalism industrial complex that is built to continue to perpetuate those myths. I’m looking on my shelves over here and I’ve got five different Bibles that carry various names like The Founders’ Bible, The Patriot’s Bible — actually, several Patriot Bibles. There’s one for teenagers and one for women. And there’s all of these books and all of these video series and programs that are put out by WallBuilders or Focus on the Family or various institutions. The goal of these media resources is to either provide religious leaders with that kind of ammunition or to provide religious consumers, people in the pews, with information about America’s Christian past that may or may not be factually correct. But it is designed, as Phil was talking about, to center white Christian Americans within that story and to tell them that this nation was founded on Christian values for Christian people. This is the narrative that this nation can only work if Christianity is the foundation — or biblical principles or Christian values. And, of course, they get to decide what that means. So there’s both an identity-based kind of driver there and a very real source of information that continues to be put front and center in congregations week in and week out."
(Funny to me it's all about selling you stuff. (Media Resources) Why not just give it away if you believe it so much? Matthew 21:13 "And He declared to them, “It is written: ‘My house will be called a house of prayer.’ But you are making it ‘a den of robbers.’ Still going on basically)
"I think certainly Christian nationalists or people who subscribe to Christian nationalism would be threatened by atheism and Islam. But more than anything, they’re threatened by leftism — leftism in all forms, whether that is economic, whether that is racial, whether that is religious.'
(My question is this:
If you know and trust the scripture? Why do you feel so threatened by anything?
Psalm 121
My Help Comes from the Lord
A Song of Ascents.
I lift up my eyes to the hills.
From where does my help come?
My help comes from the Lord,
who made heaven and earth.
He will not let your foot be moved;
he who keeps you will not slumber.
Behold, he who keeps Israel
will neither slumber nor sleep.
The Lord is your keeper;
the Lord is your shade on your right hand.
The sun shall not strike you by day,
nor the moon by night.
The Lord will keep you from all evil;
he will keep your life.
The Lord will keep
your going out and your coming in
from this time forth and forevermore.
And there's plenty more scripture that makes that same point. God does not want us to live in fear of anything but in a spirit of boldness, its what gives me the strength to come here and do what I do.... So why are you so scared of an economic, a racial, or a religious philosophy? Over and over and over the book says DO NOT BE AFRAID!)
"And I think Sam’s right. It’s because it folds in the economic stuff that people on the Christian right have been taught to care about by the donor class over the last couple of decades."
(The fact is you never should have bought into it
"The U.S. instituted progressive taxation in 1913, but according to Shamus Khan, in the 1970s, elites used their increasing political power to lower their taxes, and today successfully employ what political scientist Jeffrey Winters calls "the income defense industry" to greatly reduce their taxes.
In 1998, Bob Herbert of The New York Times referred to modern American plutocrats as "The Donor Class" (list of top donors) and defined the class, for the first time, as "a tiny group – just one-quarter of 1 percent of the population – and it is not representative of the rest of the nation. But its money buys plenty of access."
"I find very strong correlations between white Christian nationalism and support for gerrymandering, support for the Electoral College, support for various other kinds of means of restricting the vote. I think in the longer run, something you’re hearing increasingly is that we need to create a society that’s based on biblical principles. And what they, of course, mean by this is not the beatitudes. You know what they mean by this is Leviticus. Strict laws that reinforce our place in this society. I think the reason this is so frightening is that we know how this script works, right? It’s already been running for a good decade in Hungary, for example, and it’s been running that long in India. It’s not something specific to the Christian world. And it ends in autocracy. So this is a fundamental threat to democracy understood as liberal democracy, a democracy where there’s rule of law, a democracy where there are rights for all."
"If we were all convinced that one year from now an asteroid was going to strike the earth, we would, I hope, put aside petty differences in order to try to work together to solve this common problem. And we are as a nation and as a world facing common asteroids that are coming to kill us. One of those was COVID. One would hope we would unite together to cooperate to solve the problem of this pandemic. Another one that we are facing is climate change. And white Christian nationalism represents an American manifestation of a global trend toward authoritarian populist regimes, and anybody who values democracy and legal equality and representation and liberal democracy in that regard is facing a problem. And so, in the United States, we need to recognize that, and we need to cooperate with people who think differently from us on a variety of issues."
(Romans 12:18
If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.
White Christian nationalism directly contradicts scripture. It's a perversion of the faith. Period.)
"I think, statistically, it is inevitable that secularization is slowly creeping throughout the United States. That happens through demography and cohort replacement. That also happens just as Americans are changing their attitudes in a variety of regards, and Americans are moving leftward on most social issues and on the most moral issues, and there are many surveys that can document that trend. White Christian nationalism represents a shrinking minority of the population. And yet they still look to have political and cultural influence. The only way they are going to be able to do that over the long term is to change the political situation to where they can rule from a minority position forever. That ought to be threatening to people who understand why it’s a problem.
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