17. The Destruction Of Ecclesiastical Babylon
John Walvoord
Walvoord earned a reputation as one of the most influential dispensational theologians of the 20th century. He played a prominent role in advocating the doctrine of a rapture of Christians from the earth prior to a time of great tribulation,
Stephen Sizer, an Anglican priest who is a prominent critic of Christian Zionism, lists Walvoord as one of the "leading dispensationalists who are also overtly Zionist", including also Charles Ryrie, Dwight Pentecost, Eric Sauer, Charles Dyer and Hal Lindsey,[2] all associated with Dallas Theological Seminary.
If you know mw, you know I am not a big fan of: "the doctrine of a rapture of Christians from the earth prior to a time of great tribulation", nor Hal Lindsey, nor The Dallas Theological Seminary in general.
This piece and the next one
The fall of Babylon
had to have been written before his death in 2002.
I have this thing built in me that says,
I might disagree with you on a lot,
that doesn't mean I cant learn from you on some.
Lets take a look at what he says,
and if you want to read the entire thing?
Well thats why I include the links.
Remember the European Union was formed in 1993, nine years before his death, lots of commentators at that time saw it as a revival of sorts of the Holy Roman Empire.
Gods word doesnt change, but we all see things through the lens of our time. As we get closer to Christ second advent, things become more clear.
Just, keep it in mind as we go through it.
Lets get to it.
"17. The Destruction Of Ecclesiastical Babylon
"Chapters 17 and 18 of Revelation are dedicated to the description of the final destruction of Babylon in both its ecclesiastical and political forms."
"It must be remembered that from John’s point of view all of the events of the book of Revelation were future, and it pleased God to reveal various aspects of future events in other than their chronological order."
"Any interpretation of Revelation 17 and 18 is difficult because expositors have not agreed as to the details of their interpretations.
(It's 23 years sown the road, its a lot easier to interpret today than it was back then)
"In general, however, it is helpful to consider chapter 17 as dealing with Babylon as an ecclesiastical or spiritual entity and chapter 18 as dealing with Babylon as a political entity. It is also helpful in chapter 17 to distinguish the vision in verses 1 through 6 from the interpretation in verses 7 through 18."
(I see a lot more overlapping between the two chapters than is alluded to here.)
(NOW THE HEART OF THE MATTER!)
"John is shown the vision of the destruction of Babylon,
as representing false religion,
by one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and is invited to behold the judgment of a woman, the symbol of Babylon, described as the great whore (Gr., porne„, usually translated “harlot”), who is seen sitting on many waters. The interpretation of “waters” is that these are the many nations ruled by Babylon.. "
(Reference Zechariah 5:5-11
and the accompanying footnotes.)
"The woman is further described as having committed fornication (Gr., porneuo„, verb form of porne„). The inhabitants of the earth are declared to have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
The picture of the woman as utterly evil signifies spiritual adultery, portraying those who outwardly and religiously seem to be joined to the true God but who are untrue to this relationship."
(When the future scribes look back on our time,
here is what they are going to say:
"They practiced political Idolatry
and it cost them.")
"The symbolism of spiritual adultery is not ordinarily used of heathen nations who know not God, but
always of people who outwardly carry the name of God
while actually worshiping and serving other gods."
(This was written 22 years ago mind you.
He is not your savior.
You already had and
still do, have one.)
"The concept of spiritual adultery is frequently used in describing the apostasy of Israel (cf. Ezek. 16 and 23; all of Hosea). Characteristically, the Jehovah of the Old Testament is the husband of Israel (cf. Isa. 54:1-8; Jer. 3:14; 31:32). In the New Testament the church is viewed as a virgin destined to be joined to her husband in the future (2 Cor. 11:2), but she is warned against spiritual adultery (James 4:4)."
(Apparently?
A lot of people missed the warnings.
2 Corinthians 11:2
2 I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy.
I promised you to one husband,
to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him.
(Not TWO!
You don't need,
nor should you EVER desire,
a political savior.
James 4:4
4 You adulterous people,[a] don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
(What could be more wordily than a loud-mouth billionaire (he says) New York real estate developer, who is on record as saying he has never asked for forgiveness as he just doesn't see any need for it?)
"The alliance of
the apostate church
with the political powers of the world
during this future period of time..."
(That is us now, and it has been for 8-9 years now.)
"not only debauches the true spiritual character of the church and compromises her testimony in every way but has the devastating effect of inducing religious drunkenness on the part of the inhabitants of the earth.
False religion is always the worst enemy of true religion,
(And the merger of politics and faith is exactly that
a false religion.)
"and the moral wickedness involved
in the union of the church with the world..."
(A daddys lil rich boy NY real estate billionaire?
Are you kidding me?
If you can not tell by the events of the last few weeks?
(Musk, DOGE, Treasury Hacked etc)
You have lost your way.)
"imposes a stupefying drunkenness as far as spiritual things are concerned.
The hardest to win to Christ and the most difficult to instruct in spiritual truth are those who have previously embraced false religion with its outward show of a worship of God. "
(The hedgerow doesn't need a pruning so it can be healthy and grow back stronger, it simply gets replaced:
Mathew 21:31-32
..Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.
(If you practice political Idolatry?
You will sit there and witnesses that happen right in front of you.)
32 For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness,:-)
and you did not believe him,
but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did.
(Happening in our time,
I got multiple examples.
Ask me and I'll share em.)
And even after you saw this,
you did not repent and believe him. (JTB)
(Exactly, its what I expected to happen because I was told:
"THEY WILL NOT BELIEVE YOU.")
"The concept here presented, enlarging on the previous revelation in 14:8, makes plain that
the apostate church
has eagerly sought and solicited
the adulterous relation with the world political powers
and therefore is primarily to be blamed."
(That was 23 years ago
and it couldn't be any more obvious
that it is exactly what has happened.)
The Vision of the Woman on the Beast
(Revelation 17:3-4)
17:3-4 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication.
"The fact that the woman is riding the beast and is not the beast itself signifies that she represents ecclesiastical power as distinct from the beast which is the political power. Her position, that of riding the beast, indicates on the one hand that she is supported by the political power of the beast, and on the other that she is in a dominant role and at least outwardly controls and directs the beast.
(Outwardly but not in reality)
"The significance of the seven heads and the ten horns is revealed subsequently in this chapter, the seven heads apparently referring to forms of government which are successive,"
(Kingdoms which have ruled over Jerusalem already beat it to death)
"and the ten horns to kings who reign simultaneously in the end time."
(Our unaccountable tech bros, you think this becomes any clearer, or somehow emerges in a different form in the future somehow?)
"The fact that the woman, representing
the apostate church,
is in such close association
with the beast,
which is guilty of utter blasphemy,
(The false prophet
Revelation 13:1-10
Where is the blood?
Where is the shooters Death Certificate?
What Dr. signed it?
Where is he now?
What Dr. pronounced the shooter dead?
Where are the shooters cremated (of course) remains?
What Dr. did Fry Boy go see about his wound?
Where are all the results of the investigations
into the lax security that day?
THE ENTIRE THING THAT DAY
WAS A SHAM
SET UP BY YOUR
"INTELLIGENCE"
SERVICES.
"the apostate church,
is in such close association with the beast,"
(False Prophet)
"which is guilty of utter blasphemy,"
(See above)
"indicates the depth to which
apostasy will ultimately descend."
(ALREADY THERE.)
"The Word of God does not spare words in describing the utter filthiness of this adulterous relationship in the sight of God.
(Why do you think I am writing this today?)
"Few crimes in Scripture are spoken of in more unsparing terms than the crime of spiritual adultery of which this woman is the epitome.
As alliance with the world and showy pomp increase, so spiritual truth and purity decline."
(The Author equates that with The Roman Catholic Church and The Greek Orthodox Church, (Hey we all got our issues okay?) I see it more with American Evangelicals than I do anywhere else. It is literally that obvious here as elsewhere. Funny we don't ever wanna point the finger at our selves. And yes, this was 22 years ago, we know more now that we did then, we all see things through the lenses of our times. Still way more applicable to American Evangelicals than anywhere else.
IN SUM:
THE ENTIRETY OF CHRISTENDOM IS THE APOSTATE CHURCH!
The orthodox point their fingers at the Catholics and the Catholics point their fingers at the Protestants and the Protestants point their finger at the Catholics and vice versa just ad infinitum add in who ever you want.)
"The subject of Babylon in the Scripture is one of the prominent themes of the Bible beginning in Genesis 10, where the city of Babel is first mentioned, with continued references throughout the Scriptures climaxing here in the book of Revelation. From these various passages, it becomes clear that Babylon in Scripture is the name for a great system of religious error."
(Worldly)
"Babylon is actually a counterfeit or pseudo religion which plagued Israel in the Old Testament as well as the church in the New Testament, and which, subsequent to apostolic days, has
had a tremendous influence in moving the church
from biblical simplicity to apostate confusion.
(Satan at work)
"In keeping with the satanic principle of offering a poor substitute for God’s perfect plan,
Babylon is the source of counterfeit religion
sometimes in the form of pseudo Christianity,
sometimes in the form of pagan religion."
(You can not have two husbands in this faith.
It will cost you.)
"In Genesis 10 and 11 it is recorded that Nimrod was the founder of Babel, later called Babylon. In chapter 11 is recorded the rebellion of men against God in attempting to make a city and a tower that would reach to heaven. The history of the ancient world reveals that it was a common practice to build huge mounds (ziggurats) of sun-dried bricks of which the most ancient illustration has been discovered at Erech, a place mentioned in Genesis 10:10 and dated more than 3,000 years before Christ. The tower of Babel was apparently a forerunner of later towers dedicated to various heathen deities. There was no stone with which to build, and therefore bricks were used with mortar binding them together. The tower of Genesis 11 was a monument to human pride and an express act of rebellion against the true God."
"In judging this act God confounded the language of the people and gave the city the name of “Babel,” meaning “confusion” (cf. Gen. 11:9). The city, later named Babylon, had a long history. It became prominent under Hammurabi (1728-1686 B.C.) who was the guiding light to the empire during the Old Babylonian period. Babylon’s greatest glory was achieved under Nebuchadnezzar who lived during the Neo-Babylonian period about 600 years before Christ. Daniel the prophet wrote his book at that time. The story of the city and empire has been deciphered from thousands of cuneiform tablets unearthed by archaeologists."
(All straight out of yesterdays post:
Thursday, February 27, 2025
"The Assyrian" Addendum.
Not a coincidence I assure you.)
"Of primary importance in the study of Babylon is its relation to religion as unfolded in Revelation 17. In addition to materials given in the Bible itself, ancient accounts indicate that the wife of Nimrod, who founded the city of Babylon, became the head of the so-called Babylonian mysteries which consisted of secret religious rites which were developed as a part of the worship of idols in Babylon. She was known by the name of Semiramis and was a high priestess of the idol worship. According to extrabiblical records which have been preserved, Semiramis gave birth to a son who she claimed was conceived miraculously. This son, given the name of Tammuz, was considered a savior of his people and was, in effect, a false messiah, purported to be the fulfillment of the promise given to Eve. The legend of the mother and child was incorporated into the religious rites and is repeated in various pagan religions. Idols picturing the mother as the queen of heaven with the babe in her arms are found throughout the ancient world, and countless religious rites were introduced supposedly promising cleansing from sin. Though the rites which were observed in the Babylonian false religion differed greatly in various localities, there usually was a priestly order which furthered the worship of the mother and child, practiced the sprinkling of holy water, and established an order of virgins dedicated to religious prostitution. Tammuz, the son, was said to have been killed by a wild beast and afterward brought back to life, obviously a satanic anticipation of the resurrection of Christ."
(Enoch, seventh from Adam
prophesized a coming "Son of Man", a Savior
The Parables of Enoch, 1 Enoch 37-71, Enoch is taken into heaven and shown prophetic visions concerning an eschatological hero known as the “Son of Man.” This figure is also called the “Chosen One,” “Anointed,” and “Righteous One,” which are all titles referring to the same Messianic figure.
WHO IS CHRIST
and this predates all what is said above
about Semiramis and her miraclous birth etc.
WHAT?
DO YOU THINK SHE JUST MADE THAT UP?
Noahs temple (Gobleki Tepe) which includes a 12,000 year old calendar and a petrified boat a few hundred miles away, would seem to say otherwise.
ONE SOURCE.
Book of Enoch Chapter 81:1-3
1. And he said unto me:
' Observe, Enoch,
these heavenly tablets,
And read what is written thereon,
And mark every individual fact.'
2. And I observed the heavenly tablets, and read everything which was written (thereon) and understood everything, and read the book of
all the deeds of mankind,
and of
all the children of flesh
that shall be upon the earth
to the remotest generations.
Book of Enoch Chapter 82:1
And now, my son Methuselah, all these things I am recounting to thee and writing down for thee! and I have revealed to thee everything, and given thee books concerning all these: so preserve, my son Methuselah, the books from thy father's hand, and (see) that thou deliver them to the generations of the world.
(And there is no "Queen of Heaven" in the book of Enoch.)
I just keep trying to tell people that book (Of Enoch) predates everything else, it was on the Ark with Noah, (Heavenly Tablets) and people in the region knew that story and that is where they got it from, not the other way around as Satan would have you believe.)
"In the Scriptures themselves, though many of these facts are not mentioned,
there are a number of allusions
to the conflict of the true faith
with this pseudo-religion."
(The merging of your faith,
with your politicians is a pseudo religion.
PERIOD.
One husband.
Christ.)
"Ezekiel protests against the ceremony of weeping for Tammuz in Ezekiel 8:14. Jeremiah mentions the heathen practices of making cakes for the queen of heaven (Jer. 7:18) and offering incense to the queen of heaven (Jer. 44:17-19, 25). The worship of Baal, characteristic of pagan religion in Canaan, was another form of this same mystery religion originating in Babylon. Baal is considered identical to Tammuz. The doctrines of the mystery religions of Babylon seem to have permeated the ancient world, giving rise to countless mystery religions,
each with its cult
and individual beliefs
offering a counterfeit religion
and a counterfeit god
in opposition to the true God
revealed in the Scriptures.
Babylon as an evil woman is portrayed in the prophecy of Zechariah 5:1-11 where the woman of verse 7 is described as personifying wickedness in verse 8. "In this chapter in Revelation (17),
the last stage
of counterfeit religion is revealed..."
(The merger of politics and faith.)
"as it will be in existence
in the period before the return of the Lord to earth."
(It is here, it is Us,
right now, right this very instant.)
"The woman is pictured not only as the source of all evil in apostate Christendom but also as the one who is actively engaged in the persecution of the true saints."
(Dont know anything about it.
Thats sarcasm BTW.)
"The history of the church has demonstrated
that apostate Christendom is unsparing
in its persecution of those
who attempt to maintain a true faith in Jesus Christ."
(Yup...they want you to be a part of the herd and believe what they do. You have to love our political God and our political party or you are not a true Christian and nothing could be farther from the truth.)
"the last stage of counterfeit religion is revealed."
Has been and No Thx.)
"The overwhelming satanic power
of the final political empire of the world
will be most convincing to great masses of mankind."
(Evil goes to where it came from to perish:
Just sayin.)
"There is a confusing similarity between the descriptions afforded Satan who was apparently described as the king over the demons in the abyss (9:11),
Revelation 9:11
11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).
100% disagree
(How did these people keep missing this?)
reference:
Exodus 12:23
23 When the Lord goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, he will see the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe and will pass over that doorway, and
he will not permit the destroyer
to enter your houses and strike you down.
Revelation 9:4
4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads.
(Lil odd Satan and his Lackeys arent harming Gods people dont ya think?)
“the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit” (11:7)
(Revelation 11:7
7 Now when they have finished their testimony,
the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them,
and overpower and kill them.)
"the beast whose “deadly wound was healed” (13:3),"
(Revelation 13:3
3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast.
"and the beast of 17:8."
8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come.
"The solution to this intricate problem is that there is an identification to some extent of Satan with the future world ruler and identification of the world ruler with his world government."
(There aint gonna be much of a world left.
Daniel 7:24
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten Kings that shall rise: and another shall rise after them, and he shall be unlike to the first, and he shall subdue [a]three Kings,
Revelation 16:19
19 [a]And the great city was divided into three parts: and the cities of the nations [b]fell: and that great [c]Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
(Post nuclear war, multipolar world we keep hearing about these days much?)
"Each of the three entities is described as a beast.
Only Satan himself actually comes from the abyss."
"There is a confusing similarity between the descriptions afforded Satan who was apparently described as the king over the demons in the abyss (9:11), (NOPE) “the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit” (11:7), the beast whose “deadly wound was healed” (13:3),
and the beast of 17:8.
(8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction.)
I got an easier solution:
4 parts of one whole.
Side Note:
I Was looking for the four Beast mentioned in the Book of Revelation yesterday, check out this screenshot:
"AI OVERVIEW"
Didnt mention The Beast from the Abyss.
Revelation 17:8.
"Each of the three entities is described as a beast. Only Satan himself actually comes from the abyss."
Still think AI isnt Satanic?)
"The world government which he promotes"
(He isnt going to "promote it" it's gonna be all thats left, and he will take it over, Ref Daniel 7:24 and Revelation 16:19 above.
Also?
Dont forget:
"The “other is not yet come” would seem to point to that
final world empire
(Satanic Neo-Ottoman)
that will be taken over
by the “11th horn.”
(The Anti-Christ)
Currently residing in Syria.
(Reference: "The Assyrian" series presented posted here.)
"is entirely satanic in its power and to this extent is identified with Satan...The man who is the world ruler, however, has power and great authority given to him by Satan. The fact that Satan and the world ruler are referred to in such similar terms indicates their close relationship one to the other."
"...this is exactly the sense in which the angel uses the word here, as he himself tells us. He does not say, “the seven heads are seven mountains, where the Woman sitteth upon them,” and there leave off; but he adds immediately, “and they are seven kings,” or personified kingdoms. The mountains, then, are not piles of material rocks and earth at all, but royal or imperial powers, declared to be such by the angel himself."
"Rome surely comes into the count of these seven mountains of empire; but to make Rome the whole seven, including also the eighth, requires a good deal more “respectability” of interpretation in that line than has thus far appeared."
(This was all 23 years ago, we can clearly see today it is the rise of the Neo-Ottoman Empire, and the only such kingdom to have committed genocide against a million Christians.
How many people today have even heard of the Armenian Genocide?
How many people in church have heard of it?
Preachers?
District Superintendents?
Bishops?
Revelation 17:9-11
9 “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. 11 The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.
The interpretation of this prophecy
is a settled matter these days.
The Armenian genocide committed by the Turks gives it away.
Its like a puzzle, the closer you get to putting it all together at the end? The easier it is to see where the parts all fit. The Neo-Ottoman empire wasn't on the ascendancy 23 years ago.
Case closed.)
"The Woman is not an empire any more than the Church of Christ is an empire. She rides upon empires, kings, and powers of the world, and inspires, leads, and controls them; but she herself is not one of them, and is above all of them so that they court her, and are bewitched and governed by her— governed, not with the reins of empire, but with the lure of her fornication. This Woman is longer-lived than any one empire. We have seen that she bears the name of Babylon, and is not destroyed until the day of judgment. The seven imperial mountains on which she rides must therefore fill up the whole interval; or there was a time, and the most of her history, when she did not ride at all, which is not the fact. Seven is itself the number of fulness, which includes the whole of its kind. The reference here is to kings, to mountains of temporal dominion, to empires. It must therefore take in all of them. And when men once get over their “respectability,” and rise to the height of range of the interpreting angel’s view of things, they will have no difficulty in identifying the mountains, or the times to which they belong."
Joseph Seiss
(AMEN!)
"These seven powers, each and all, support the Woman as their joy and pride; and she accepts and uses them, and sways their administrations, and rides in glory by means of them."
(Ours today as well.)
"The final form of world government, symbolized by the eighth beast itself, is the world empire of the great tribulation time. The revived Roman Empire..."
(I got news for ya,
we are here and living
what he is talking about
and where exactly is this:
"revived Roman Empire"
?????????
The seventh Kingdom is the one he didn't even mention and that was the Ottoman Turks, who were the last Kingdom to rule Jerusalem.
OPPS.
(That's a miss on:
Destroyer angels leader
and
Ottoman Turks)
"Further detail is given concerning the final stage of the world empire as having a nucleus of ten kings apparently joined in a confederacy
(Might as well be.)
represented by the ten horns. These kings in contrast to the seven heads of the beast are kings who rule not in succession but simultaneously at the end time."
"The ten horns’ rule as kings is subject to that of the beast itself, and their sphere of power is brief.
They are a phase of the transmission of power
from the various kingdoms to that of the beast itself.
This is shown by verse 13 where it is said that these have one mind and shall give their power and strength to the beast."
(That is right where we are right now.
Tech Bros yo
Its like a puzzle, the closer you get to putting it all together at the end? The easier it is to see where the parts all fit.
Case closed, again.)
(Revelation 17:16
The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.)
"Verse 16 reveals a most remarkable development in the vision which is also the climax and the purpose of the preceding description. Here the ten horns, previously seen as ten kings, destroy the woman riding the beast in a most graphic action. The best reading indicates that both the ten horns and the beast combine in this effort. The expression “upon the beast” is most accurately translated according to the better manuscripts “and the beast.” The action of this verse is cast in the future tense which must be understood as future from John’s point of view. The destruction of the harlot reduces all her pomp and gorgeous robes to naught. She is stripped of them, her flesh is eaten, and she is burned with fire. These graphic words clearly picture the downfall of the apostate world church of the future.
(It's already been here for a while
whether you see it as:
The Vatican
Orthodox
Protestantism
whatever,
IT IS ALL
THE APOSTATE CHURCH
SPOKEN OF IN
Revelation 3:14-22
AND IT ALL
EVERY BIT OF IT GOES AWAY.
Thx be to God.
Sometimes?
Things get so screwed up?
All you can do is start it all over.
Think a totaled car thats not worth
what it would take to repair it.
AND THAT IS
THE CURRENT STATE
OF CHRISTENDOM TODAY.
Destroying it makes way for what's coming.
The beautiful Bride of Christ.
One church, one denomination,
one set of doctrines.)
"...with the beginning of the second half of the week, (Daniels last seven) the ruler of the revived Roman Empire, who is the political head of the world empire and is himself designated also as “the beast,” is able to proclaim himself dictator of the whole world."
(Just like Nimrod.)
"In this capacity...substitutes for this ecclesiastical apostasy the final form of wickedness in the area of religion,
the worship of himself.
(AI after it obtains all knowledge of humanity.
2 Thessalonians 2:4)
He will oppose and exalt himself above every so-called god or object of worship. So he will seat himself in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God
Daniel 11:36
Then the king will do as he pleases and will exalt and magnify himself above every god, and he will speak monstrous things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been decreed must be accomplished
Daniel 11:30
For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
(Satanic Quantum Powered AI, returns to the spot where its evil was from.)
"The divine judgment inflicted upon apostate Christendom follows a pattern which can be observed in other judgments upon wicked nations and ungodly rulers. Ancient Babylon was used to bring affliction upon the people of Israel, as were also the governments of Assyria and Egypt. But in due time the same nations who inflicted divine judgment were themselves the objects of God’s wrath.
(Just like us right now.)
"The principle involved is plainly stated in verse 17."
(For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled.)
"Their action, though inspired by a blasphemous attempt to institute a world religion..."
(The "world religion"?
Is apostate Christianity, in any of its various forms, it's latter stages being denoted by it's marrying of worldly political leaders of which we have seen for a while now.)
"utterly contrary to divine revelation, nevertheless fulfills God’s will that the kingdoms of the world should come under the domain of the beast in fulfillment of prophecy until the end of the age, indicated in the phrase “until the words of God shall be fulfilled.” Thus the plan of the ages unfolds majestically, and Scripture indicates that God sovereignly permits the increment of wickedness until the cup of iniquity overflows."
(Honey says were at the rim :-).
"At the close of the chapter, the woman is again identified with the great city which reigned over the kings of the earth, referring to the ecclesiastical power and control of the political which characterized portions of church history in the past and will have its climax in this future period."
(Thats an illusion, she may be riding, but the beast is in charge the entire time.)
"The “great city” is obviously a reference to Babylon in its religious
(I prefer allegorical, to the Satanic World System Christendom has prostituted herself with in front of God.)
"rather than its historical significance. The influence of Babylon on Roman Christianity was partly responsible for the assumption by Rome of political power, namely, the authority of the church over the state.
(Now days its flip-flopped.)
"Just as ancient Babylon conquered kings in a political way, so its religious counterpart would dominate political states during the period of Roman papal power."
"The interpretation that this is a reference to pagan political Rome as advanced by the historical school of interpretation or that it refers to a future literal city of Babylon is wrong. The city here according to verse 5 is a mystery, not a literal city.
(Revelation 17:5
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.)
"The entire context of chapter 17 supports this interpretation, distinguishing as it does between the city identified with the woman and the political power referred to as the beast and the ten horns."
(The 10 horns are "unreined" power, not political as:
Revelation 17:12
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings,
which have received no kingdom
as yet;
but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Kinda hard to have political power when you don't have an area to rule. The power they wield is simply unaccountable as we are seeing with our Tech Kingpins, choose any 10 you want.)
"After the disposal of Babylon in its religious form by its destruction at the hands of the beast, the prophetic revelation in chapter 18 then deals with Babylon as a political force also destined for destruction at a later date."
Like I said at the beginning,
I see political and ecclesiastical Babylon as intertwined in both chapters, (Rev 17 and 18) not nearly as segregated as the author sees things.
Good insight on Apostate Christendom.
I feel like good insight is given on the vision
(Revelation 17:1-6).
I myself have concentrated on
Verses 8-11
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
As we are so obviously seeing the early formation of a neo-ottoman empire. It's in the headlines if you pay enough attention. The Armenian genocide gives it away as to which one of the seven kingdoms will be the eighth. As does the fact that The Ottoman were there, went away and are now on the rise again, not Rome.
vs 10-11
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
Remember:
That Kingdom that rules gets taken over by the one it helped implement.
Antichrist from the Middle East?
"The “other is not yet come” would seem to point to that
final world empire (Satanic Neo-Ottoman) that will be taken over
by the “11th horn.” ("The" Antichrist.)
Guy has a plan and he is executing it
and with all the other distractions?
(Ref: Revelation 12:15
And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood
Of dis/misinformation)
The world isn't really seeming to notice much.
How?
In 2002, (at the latest since that is when the author passed away) you could mention the seven Kingdoms that have ruled over Jerusalem and not mention the Ottoman Turks, who were the last kingdom to have ruled?
Lil beyond me.
As well as how:
Revelation 9:11
And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
(The Destroyer)
Is not associated with:
Exodus 12:23
23 When the Lord goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, he will see the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe and will pass over that doorway, and
he will not permit the destroyer
to enter your houses and strike you down.
By so many different experts?
Lil beyond me as well.
Almost like Satan doesn't want you
to know what's coming.
Already here actually.
This kinda sums it all up:
"In this chapter in Revelation (17),
the last stage of counterfeit religion is revealed
(The merger of politics and faith.)
as it will be in existence
in the period before
the return of the Lord to earth."
