Opening Prayer
father we thank you for this privilege of gathering together to study your word we do pray father you'd open our hearts and lives to your word and we pray father that your purpose would be accomplished in each of us as we undertake this exploration of your precious word and as we commit ourselves into your hands in Jesus name amen
okay well we are in Genesis session eight and since we had an introductory session the seven the eight sessions on the seventh day so our creation week segment is actually eight sessions long and so uh in a sense this is a conclusion of what you might call unit one of Genesis which can it's the conclusion of what some people would call The Creation week the next major segment would be the first 11 chapters as you look at the Book of Genesis the first 11 chapters are distinctive because there are some people would call them prehistory because the story really starts in a historical sense with Abraham the call of Abraham chapter 12. so you'll find many commentaries you'll be the first 11 chapters of Genesis and then from 12 to the end because it changes its whole style in a sense but we're in the seventh day and that's obviously chapter two
Review time
we've taken uh seven sessions to get through one chapter so let's see there's 50 chapters in Genesis so it sounds to me like it'll be what 350 sessions no it obviously won't be linear I'm I'm just being facetious we start off with the introduction where we talk about the authorship we proved we know who wrote the book of Genesis despite uh people with phds and h2so4s behind their name who have other theories because none other than the Lord Jesus Christ told us who wrote the book you know that's good enough for me and we we talked a little bit about the nature of time in fact we've littered the whole series with little segments of physics and so forth it surprises many that the more you know about the real science the frontiers of real science not conjectures and people's theories but what we really do think we know about the universe the more you know about that the more comfortable the chapter reads frankly but we talked in day one about light
("The more you know about your world and how it works, from the smallest, subatomic particles, to the large scales structures of the cosmos, the more you will become convinced, that not only CAN there be a God, but that THERE has to be one"
Yours truly, before I ever knew of Chuck Missler)
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and we also explored some conjectures about that area talked about the nature and second day the stretching the heavens the nature of space itself and the more you know about that the more comfortable the text is and then we got into the actual the beginning of Life vegetation and so forth or molecular chemistry we touched on a little bit
(The genetic Code in DNA shreds that argument BTW
as the code is not in anyway, any kind of
"Observation Selection Effect".)
then we got the stars and the planets the nebula hypothesis and some of the nonsense that gets still still taught in astronomy courses that's provably nonsense
(It's 22-23 years later and it still is.)
and then we got into the fish and foul the beginning of animals as such and the fallacy of evolution touched on that again biodiversity we talked about animals and man last time the creation of Adam that's in a sense the climax of God's creative process
(He merged the spiritual with the physical.
Soul = the immaterial part of man.)
and we talked about the evidences of design and we talked a little bit explored about the architecture of man that itself is a whole a whole uh subject but we touched on it here
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and this time we are in Shabbat, Saturday as we would call it perhaps the seventh day and we're going to take in a sense of the whole chapter chapter 2 our major topics will be of course Mr and Mrs Man and several other things
so let's just jump in now again by way of review we've we've tried to provide a map of the creation creative process in terms of its stepwise
stepping towards order from chaos
entropy is a fancy term for Randomness or disorder and we see the each the terms Erev and Boker today mean evening and morning but they have like most words have an ancient origin that's somewhat obscure but the root Erev of suggests chaos or disorder and in a sense as it when the day comes to an end and things get dark you become it's it's harder to discern order and and so forth and we think that word originally meant chaos or disorder and became to mean it came through usage to be an evening and Boker which is just the opposite of that
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that's things are discernible in the morning as light starts Twilight starts you can look around you suddenly can see where you are this is very visible by the way if you've ever gone camping you know if you you often you can go to a campsite you may arrive after dark and you sort of set up the best you can when you get up in the morning early you discover all kinds of things you didn't discern before the Erev and Boker through this concept very very much uh more visible if you uh have those experiences anyway but what we do the erev and boker are the first day day one and again it's out of they become meaning evening and morning but it's also a strange way to designate a day because a day would go from evening to evening Erev and Boker is presumed by most readers well that's just designating the day well that means their days are only night times no we think it originally had a slightly different meaning it's been lost Through the Ages but in any case uh the first day we had of course the creation of light we talked about its the paradoxes of light
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day two second day we talked about the fourth state of plasma
as we get order into atoms
and they become molecules and so forth
(That's a pretty good image of the electrons being scattered about
and not attached to form atoms yet.)
and then we that was day two and then the erev and boker we saw the land the vegetation and so forth and we have day three and then on day on the fourth day we have the planets
it's interesting that vegetation was created
before the sun is dealt with
(By the light of God, Revelation, no sun etc)
Revelation 21:23
The city does not need the sun or the moon
to shine on it,
for the glory of God gives it light,
and the Lamb is its lamp.
Heading back to that.
Train is bout to leave the station yo.
but in any case we'll move on and then we have the two two classes of animals focused on uh the sea creatures and and birds and so forth we talked about that and then we get to the climax in a sense and that is the sixth day the creation of Adam among other things mammals too but Adam we focused on and
BODY
of the presentation
Divided into three sections.
Hopefully it will make it
a lil easier to digest :-).
Hopefully.
SECTION 1
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but now we get into a very strange day
and I've gone this through this review I know you remember it from the previous times primarily to make this point
the seventh day has
no erev and no boker
which is our first clue by the way that the real meaning of those words may have predated their usage as evening and morning as they're commonly used today in Hebrew
but
the seventh day certainly is not continuing because we're going to discover
when we look at the text
that God rested
doesn't say he's resting
he rested
in other words it's it's an interval
and uh and yet it has no erev and Boker so whatever the distinctives are of day seven the seventh day is a clue as to what Erev Booker mean and so there is Erev and Booker because on the seventh day God ended his work that he had made so the Erev and Boker we we take uh at least as a as a conjecture our our denotations of steps of of infusing design into the universe but let's move on let's just jump in look at the text
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Genesis chapter 2 verse first couple verses (1-3) thus the heavens and the Earth were finished and all the host of them and on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made and I want you to notice it says rested not as resting see some people say well these days are really epochs and the seventh we're in the seventh day you know they try to use it as a uh as just a figure of speech kind of thing well that that that does violence to the text frankly there are no day Epoch theories that will operate with this text which is I mean recognize "God means what he says and says what he means" he finished his creation work
(If you are not applying:
"God means what he says and says what he means"
to the Book of Revelation?
Then you were
or still are
in error.
as it is the Revelation of Christ,
so how could it not be true?
How you gonna believe
everything else he said?
And not that?
Gods days, not ours, and the Heavens have been stretched,
1 day then is a trillion to us now, depends on your perspective, Gods perspective looking toward us or mans perspective looking back at the beginning, two different sides of the same thing, I have absolutely no problem with both days and epochs both being the same thing depending on the perspective from which it is viewed.
Missler from Genesis Session 1
dear friend, lives in Jerusalem.
He's a world-class nuclear physicist.
He's not a Christian.
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He's a Jew. He's an observant Jew, but had the privilege of being in his home celebrating Passover some years ago. And they're good friends. He wrote a book called Genesis and the Big Bang."
"You won't find a Christian book store, you'll find it in the banner books in regular stores, but it's a very interesting book. His stretch factor, he takes the stretch factor, 10 to the 12th, he makes an interesting observation. The 16 billion years times 365 means there are 6 times 10 to the 12th days, right? So if you divide 6 to the 12th days by the expansion factor, 6 to the 12th, you get an expansion factor of about 16 billion years from the day 1 through the second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth day."
"So as a physicist, he has no problem with the idea of the 16 billion years, because his point of view is that a clock on the earth and a clock at the perimeter, if I can put it that way, of the expansion are going to differ by 10 to the 12th. And if you take the parent age of the universe and divide the expansion factor you get, guess what, 6 days. Which is what the Bible said all along. So that's his perception of the thing
which I think is kind of interesting."
And that is the view that I share as well, ever since I heard him do a presentation for the Henderson UMC a few years ago.
Days
from Gods perspective looking toward us,
Billions of years
looking back at the start of the universe we now know.
Both are looking at the same thing,
God's perspective from one end,
mans perspective looking from the other.
What side is a quarter
when you flip it in the air?
Heads or tails?
It's both.
Same here.
Simple, easy,
wats the question even?
"Paul instead of championing the traditional Palestinian-Pharisaic doctrine of resurrection against the Hellenistic-philosophical view of immortality, IN EFFECT COMBINES THE TWO- as he often does,
and as all powerful,
creative religious thinkers tend to do
(Grant, Basic Christian Beliefs p.167)
as mentioned, Dr. Gerald Schroeder did,
I'm just saying that I agree with it.)
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God isn't finished
but he's finished with the creation,
Why? because he's going to be undertaking
a even greater work what would that be called
Redemption
good for you good for you
there's two major Concepts that we can talk about and let me just digress here
for a moment the creation and the Redemption the creation one of the things that really came home to me is we've gone we've taught Genesis several times through you know in in our program as a Ministry so I know this is what a third or fourth time perhaps going through it systematically but I have to tell you going through this time it came home to me more vividly than ever before that the
the creation
the concept the creation
is far more important
than most of us realize
we naturally realize it's foundational because all your worldview Notions derive from your concept were either here by accident or we're here by Design if by Design they've got accountability and so forth
It's deeper than that it's interesting that as you go through the entire scripture
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how again and again and again
God holds everyone accountable
to know him through
his creation
(Psalm 19
1 The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
2 Day after day they pour forth speech;
night after night they reveal knowledge.
3 They have no speech, they use no words;
no sound is heard from them.
4 Yet their voice goes out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world.
Romans 1:20-21
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
NOT ONE,
everyone
every last one
is held accountable.)
we may be limited in our backgrounds we may not have the benefit of say being in the Jewish background with all its benefits we may not we may come from a gentile background that has no awareness of anything for you know whatever some Pagan background he still holds us accountable to understand the creation it started Romans 1 is the classic example but what's interesting to me all through the scripture if you're watching for it you'll realize that the creation holds us all accountable in and of itself but now how important is the creation how compared to Redemption one way you imagine there's two ways to measure that one way is how much space in the Bible is devoted to it well the creation has what a couple of chapters in Genesis we're through that now we're on our way so I had to say call two chapters there there's probably three or four in Job perhaps there's a couple of chapters in Isaiah a few Psalms
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and that's about it if you're really interested in creation you can it doesn't take you long to Corral most of what the Bible says about the creation you know half a dozen maybe at most a dozen chapters what is it
how much the Bible
is devoted to the Redemption
oh boy
from chapter three on,
Book of Genesis lays down the foundation of redemption Book of Exodus is their Redemption from Egypt Leviticus the rest of it yeah you go you go certainly the prophets it's all what it's all about the Gospels the Epistles in fact
the climactic book
of the entire Bible
Revelation
it's about what
the Redemption
so you need to realize that's important now there's another way to measure things that what did it cost him would it cost God to create the universe six days and he called it into existence I'm not trying to minimize it quite the contrary but you know can he can do that again
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what did the Redemption cost him
the death of his son
and that won't be repeated
no this is uh this is uh interesting so okay uh enough of dealing with all that the creation is completed as of this chapter done behind us the Redemption is completed in a sense in John 19 verse 30 when Jesus on the cross says it is finished what's finished the creation no that was long ago
no it's finished
redemption he's done it the crucifixion of Jesus Christ was not a tragedy it was an achievement that God laid down an intricate this we you know we look around the creation we realize that God is a skillful designer whether you're looking through a microscope or a telescope you can't help but be an awe of his skill as a designer
("The more you know about your world and how it works, from the smallest, subatomic particles, to the large scales structures of the cosmos, the more you will become convinced, that not only CAN there be a God, but that THERE has to be one" somebody is fond of saying and that was before I ever knew about Chuck Missler.)
and the Redemption is even more intricate and I think we'll be spending an eternity learning to subtleties and insights that are right before us in the text but that would define entire lifetime of devotion try to unravel at all
(Still finding verses
to cross-reference today
Wednesday, March 19, 2025
But nothing I can find
cross references:
Mathew 13:41
The Son of Man will send out his angels,
and they will weed out of his kingdom
everything that causes sin and all who do evil.
with
Luke 17:37.
“Where, Lord?” they asked.
He replied,
“Where there is a dead body,
there the vultures will gather.”
Pre-tribulationist not only have to stitch together verses from different context to get the result they want, they have to deliberately ignore those two verses. My mind just can not do the mental gymnastics needed to accomplish that aim, plus it just doesn't match up with the reality we see unfolding right before us etc. If your interpretation of scripture causes more questions than it answers? If church is raptured pretribulation?, Who comes and gets them? Where do they go? How do they get there?, Who brings em back? and How? And how do they all somehow manage to amalgamate together to form the beautiful body of Christ (which we most certainly are not now) along the way to name but a few, but if your interpretation of scripture causes more questions that it answers? Then you can be assured you have the wrong interpretation.
AND I DO NOT CARE WHO TAUGHT IT TO YOU.
Wrong is wrong
regardless of who teaches it.
Christ already told you
where you are being snatched away to,
and no you are not partaking of the feast,
you will be a part of it.)
but so okay that's the heavens the Earth we're finished all the host of them and on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made and God blessed the seventh day and Sanctified it because that in it he had rested from all his work which God had made
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now there is a slightly different view of this from the highly venerated ancient rabbis I'm not here to sell this particular view I share it with you just to stretch your own imaginations because most of us take the view from the text that God rested because that's what it says and I'm saying he didn't but it may not be really what it means one of the highest most venerated of the Hebrew sages in the 12th century was actually 13th century it was maimonides and nachmanides these are probably the two most venerated rabbinical Scholars within the Jewish community in his famous work called the guide to perplexed and check part 1 chapter 67 in dealing with this verse he views what the Hebrew really implies is that
the Creator caused a repose
to Encompass the universe
it's not God that's really resting
he's imposing a rest on the universe
is the is the thrust of the Hebrew in the minds
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of the ancient experts well that's rather provocative
and I've got several books written on this whole issue
because when we look at the field of thermodynamics there's some basic laws there that apply to all science the first law most of you are familiar with the conservation of matter and energy matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed it could be matter and energy can be interchanged that's what the E equals MC squared business of Einstein is all about but basically you can't create or destroy matter you can convert to energy and back again whatever but so that's the first law there's no way to win you can't come out ahead okay in fact the conservation matter energy is in the scripture
on the seventh day God ended his work
there's no new matter to create
no
all energy that is necessary
has been put in place
(Listen up!
To all the evolutionary biologist?
That try to convince us that the Universe isn't a closed system, (at least for them anyway), then go create some energy or matter then. The laws of nature (physics) applies to every field of science but not theirs apparently, this crap is just to easily debunked.)
the universe is like a gigantic clock
wound up that's been winding down
there's a day when it'll end
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the great discovery of modern science is
the universe had a beginning
no kidding
(The societal priest of the day "Scientist" have been fighting against it ever since, cyclical bouncing universes, multiverses, Inflationary cosmology to explain what they dont like seeing etc etc.
Church should have jumped on it
and didn't.
Why?
She was sleeping
just like some others before us:
Garden at Gethsemane
Matthew 26:40
And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?
Matthew 26:43
And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy.
Transfiguration
Luke 9:32
32 But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him.
10 Virgins parable
Matthew 25:5
The bridegroom (Christ) was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
Both every important moments BTW,
just like now.
And if you go inflationary cosmology on me for the universe not having a beginning? Then I'll say, "What created the inflation field then? Where did it start? How was it Designed"? What were its "initial conditions"? Where did they come from? What was it made of? Where did it's boundaries come from? How were they established? If the inflation field wasn't "contained" in some way, the inflation would never have happened. And if you say, "Well, we will never know, we cant see back that far past the primordial plasma fog soup from the heat of it etc" I'll say: "Wrong, maybe you dont know, but this community most assuredly does."
Plus I'll go right to Ecc 3:11
"no one can fathom
what God has done from beginning to end."
and politely inform you that your position
agrees with scripture written some 2000 years ago.
God has got you coming and going,
you simply dont have a chance
if you choose to stand against him.)
The big bang was
the start of the universe
as we have come to see it today.
God can do anything
just not that is just not a tenable position.
Ever since they found
the societal priest of the day
have been fighting against
what they have observed
as being true,
and its because they don't like what they see,
true science is based on observation,
NOT
trying to find a way to work around
what you dont like seeing
because it destroys your world view.
END OF STORY.)
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and it also will have an end ultimately and uh and Hebrews 4 (vs 3-4)
says the same thing the The Works were finished from the foundation of the world it's completed there's not New Creation going on by the way that's the other fallacy of evolution you see all things that are therein you preserve them all Nehemiah 9:6.that's the first law now the second law of Thermodynamics is even more fundamental and important to understand we call it the entropy laws
the bondage of decay
and that really is it really says that that whenever you have an energy transfer there's always a loss you don't have 100 efficiency anywhere in fact most engines you use or have an efficiency of something between 30 to 60 percent 50 60 is a dramatic engineering achievement because there's always losses your car gets warm the heat goes out to the atmosphere it warms the ambient you know you've got losses and that's all that's all part of the second law which is also not just in thermodynamics
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but it's also operative in all fields of science
it's the infra it's it's the really one of the bases for the whole field of information Sciences and uh the the it's a signal to noise ratios and so on we talked about that enough you're familiar with it but uh I like to summarize the first laws there's no way to win the second law is there's no way to even break even you see you'll always have a loss whenever you make a transfer of some kind there's a third law that most people
("the entropy of a system approaches a constant value as the temperature approaches absolute zero.")
aren't it's more sophisticated I guess but
you can't get out of the game
that's a whole other thing but let's talk about entropy in scripture we talk about this as a way of review in Psalm 102:26 Psalmist says they Shall Perish grow old as a garment the Earth in Isaiah 51:6 the Earth will grow old like a garment Heaven and Earth will pass away in Matthew 24:35. so I mentioned that because it's not as if it's forever you know we have a tendency there are many scientist all assume that it's gonna if things go on forever no they're all wearing down there's a lesson in that there's a profound there's a profundity in there now one of the interesting things in Romans chapter 8 verse 21 Paul says that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to Decay and obtain the Glorious Liberty of the children of God now he's speaking of spiritual terms here but it's very fundamental because he's talking about the creation he's not talking about some spiritual concept here in in the usual sense he's talking about the creation itself apparently is subject to the bondage of Decay that's what we would call the entropy laws the important point is Paul says the day is coming when it's going to be free of that it's our conjecture that it may have been free of that before Genesis 3. you see that may be part of the curse we're going to study in our next session
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but the main emphasis I want to get across is
everything we know
or think we know
about the creation
is from Genesis 3 onward
because Peter says you know that the old world that would be in Pairs in fact the world he's talking about was the flood world that's a whole other thing we'll get to when we get to six and on but
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this idea of thermal Decay heat flow is always from hot bodies to cold bodies you've noticed that
if the universe was infinitely old the temperature would be uniform but it's not uniform in the in fact all all energy throughout the universe is a function of the remaining temperature differences
How cold is space? Physics behind the temperature of the universe
so it isn't it isn't uniform
therefore it's not infinitely old
and therefore
it had a beginning
it's a very simple
irrefutable logically
(Somebody go tell this AI that please
still goes around
saying the universe
could be infinite.
He knows better.)
and so it's course that it doesn't for an ending too although I don't want to imply the ending maybe as a result of that the ending may be intervention naturally and we've talked about
The Big Bang on the one end
(Genesis 1:1
The Beginning
1 In the beginning
(Time, past , present, future)
God created
(Energy)
the heavens
(Space, height, width, depth)
and the earth.
(Matter, solid, liquid, gas)
That's time, space, energy and matter
brought forth in a continuum
(you can have just one of them,
as they are all
inter-dependent on each other)
just like the science says it was.)
and the heat death on the other
(2 Peter 3:10-12
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Thats a heat death, a continuum of time, space, energy and matter brought forth in an instant (regardless of what preceded it), never being able to see back to the beginning of it, along with, I 'll add: expanding heavens (Psalms, Isaiah various other books of the bible, and light on two separate instances, (Electromagnetic spectrum from which everything else comes from (atoms etc) Day one and day four (star formation).
IF YOU WANT ME TO CONSIDER
YOUR WORLD VIEW?
YOUR BELIEF SYSTEM?
Then you will need to find another ancient text
that covers all of that
matching up
EXACTLY, 100%
with the current
standard model of Cosmology.
(Which they seem determined to blow up one way or another)
Until then?
I absolutely will not bother to listen,
as you would be offering up
LESS
than what I/we already know.
these side that's the way science bounds our physical universe and they try to say we've talked about that but let's get back to these let's let's read these again are they in another sense let's set aside the physics I think we've had enough physics in the last half a dozen sessions
(I want more! :-).
thus the heavens and the Earth were finished and all the host of them the seventh day God ended his work which he had made and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made and get verse three
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and God blessed the seventh day and Sanctified it
because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made
and your problem with the whole idea of seven days create six days creation isn't from Genesis you can do all you can mess around with the words what they might mean your problem is Exodus 20 verse 11. where God with his own finger wrote in stone that it was in six days he Sanctified the seventh so likewise you're to keep your seventh day holy
so this opens the whole Pandora's box
of what about Shabbat
now I like to start this in a strange way
how many of each animal did Noah take into the ark anyone seven and two good for you everybody knows two but those of you that have done your homework understand their seven because you have two each of the unclean right and you get seven each of the clean
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we presume that that's so they'll have something for sacrifices but the question that everybody misses is how did Noah know what we're clean and unclean those are not intrinsic to the animals those are ceremonial definitions in which in in the Torah in Leviticus Deuteronomy Leviticus its both you have detailed discussion that this one is and this one ain't you know the stork said unclean bird but a w and you can you you can try to draw some parallels to try to Cluster them but you'll discover upon close examination they are very arbitrary some of them are hygienic issues but that's not why they're called clean and unclean they're defined that way
here's the point is
how did Noah know
(Enoch 81:1
And he said unto me:
'Observe, Enoch,
these heavenly tablets,
And read what is written thereon,
And mark every individual fact.'
Enoch 82:1.
And now, my son Methuselah, all these things I am recounting to thee and writing down for thee, and I have revealed to thee everything, and given thee books concerning all these: so preserve, my son Methuselah, the books from thy father's hand, and (see) that thou deliver them to the generations of the world.
(As in all of them
Maybe?
Just throwing it
out there for consideration
"Heavenly Tablets"
don't exactly sound like a scroll.)
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so you and I take for granted what we know about those things from the Torah from the five books of Moses right
Noah is a long way back from Moses
right
how did Noah know these terms any guesses
they were ordained in Eden
they were taken for granted you'll see why this is just one example but here's a good example because Noah understood this and he is he I can use it with my tongue in my cheek
he wasn't Jewish
see he's long before Abraham right
but he knew what clean and unclean was you will not understand Genesis chapter 4 Cain and Abel unless you understand that now these were ceremonial definitions
they are ordained in Genesis
but they're codified in Leviticus
you with me it's important to understand
because it's only one example
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there are lots of ideas that have their roots in Eden right clean and unclean being one example you don't really come up with that until Genesis 7 but we're back in Genesis 2 aren't we the concept of a Kinsmen Redeemer is in Genesis because God in chapter 3:15 is going to tip Adam off that he's going to be Redeemed by the seed of the woman you see there's the hint the first hint that God's plan and God's man he knows it's coming he's got a Kinsmen Redeemer in mind in fact he goes he also in chapter three will give them there's the first hint of a substitutionary atonement we'll deal with that when you get to chapter three but the reason I'm getting into it here is it's my argument that the Sabbath was ordained in Genesis 2. you saw it in chapter in verse 3. don't confuse that with the fact it also shows up in the Ten Commandments and it shows up as a major emblem for the nation Israel you follow me
it's not limited to them
God ordained the seventh day
the Shabbat in Genesis 2.
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now let me put you at ease I'm not heading down the Seventh-day Adventist Road okay
because there there are all kinds of views about the issue of Sabbath for gentiles especially um and there are many many variations of that and I'm not here to ship a particular package to you I just want to make this point anyone that thinks that this is a simple issue hasn't studied it it's not simple at all
we are not under the law
and I'm going to emphasize that before you're through so if any of you are getting a little butterflies where's Chuck heading with this be careful let me just let you know that but at the same time
we're going to talk pretty candidly
about some of these different views here
so your problem is not Genesis your problem is Exodus 20:11. for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the Earth it's clear in the context here he's he's expecting us to understand what he means by days he's not talking 1000 year days he's talking days are they 24 hours or 25 I don't know you know that's a whole other issue who cares for for six days the Lord made the heavens of the Earth the sea and all that in them is wow
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and rested the seventh day therefore the Lord blessed the seventh day and hallowed it when did he do that on the seventh day back there it's memorialized the Ten Commandments remember the Sabbath day it means in other words he's not telling you something new he's just reminding you to hallow it you follow me okay the Sabbath God Bless The Seventh-Day and Sanctified it because he rested from all the work which he had created made and Exodus 20 verse 18 keep remember to keep the Sabbath Sabbath Day to keep it holy he intends this day to be set aside okay it's established here in Genesis 2. but I want to prove to you that it was practiced before the Ten Commandments were given and you do that in Exodus 16. you remember when they at Exodus 16 they're out of Egypt now they are hungry they need to be fed and exodus 16 this peculiar phenomenon called Manna is provided but if you read Exodus 16 it tells them you collect it for six days but on the sixth day collect twice as much because there won't be any on the seventh day you follow me if you try to store it any other day it spoils but on the sixth day you can get twice as much to last you through the sea you're only supposed to take a day's ration with you follow me well setting aside the Mana issue it's a whole other
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study recognize they understood this as a practice the Sabbath day was a day set aside before they were given the law they're not given the law until chapter 20 of Exodus the Mana thing happened in chapter 16 of Exodus so I think we need to recognize it in the scripture the observance of the seven one day and seven the Shabbat preceded everything else in fact there are many experts that believe that uh Enoch uh Noah lots of others long before Moses understood one day and seven
(As shown above with the verses referenced from Enoch?
Count me as all in with that)
the Babylonian calendar
(Oh you mean the one that is pre-dated
by the one at Noahs Temple
by 12,000 years?
Interesting.)
had one day in seven that goes you know early to so much for that so what confuses the picture is that the Sabbath will also become a distinctive of Israel God sets these people aside to be his example and it tells them to observe the sabbath keep it holy and it becomes a distinctive of the Jews the reason it's such a distinctive of the Jews is because nobody else follows through
we don't even worship on Sunday
let alone Saturday
(Amen!)
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so I won't get down I won't go down that pathway the Sabbath becomes distinctive in Israel according from Exodus 20 Deuteronomy 4 and 5 and so on but out of this of course comes a whole bunch of mosaic laws that I will not drag you through of course concerning the Sabbath all kinds of rules for example you could not Kindle a fire on the Sabbath that was forbidden
you need to also understand that all these instructions are to separate them from the paganism is throughout the region that they're going to be settling
(How did become they monotheistic
if everyone around them was pagan/polytheistic?
Why did the word "almighty", God
(all ruler that bends the course of history to his will,
just look at your world today.)
show up first in the Hebrew manuscripts
and not any of the pagan ones precedding them?
Hum?)
in so the the prescriptions here are very precise the penalty get this though get this this
profaning the Sabbath day
by doing any work was death
yeah let that sink in for a minute
you know it's one thing get your wrist slap it's nothing to you know be grounded from being able to go out with your friends or whatever you know the kinds of things we typically do to make a point to some way no this is death which is another reason that some of the rules got very explicit because they were life-threatening things
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and of course the as the rules but by the way uh despite this background the priests still carried on their work in the Tabernacle the temple itself when it comes later is full of activities so people in the in in the in the ministry we're busy busy busy that didn't apply to them the right of circumcision was on the eighth day after a child was born whether or not it was Sabbath day if the eighth day was a Sabbath a Sabbath day they weren't supposed to do any work they still circumcised the child on Sabbath day now of course there are all kinds of abuses they didn't really do a very good job of this and so the prophets really speak up about this Isaiah condemned the hypocrisy of the worshipers in Isaiah chapter one among other places
he defined true sabbath-keeping as turning from one's own ways and own pleasures and taking Delight in the Lord that's what it's all about to take six days do your thing on the seventh day set it aside and focus your attention at least on the Lord that's the that was the concept Isaiah 58 says
(Nobody even has
ANY
attention
any more it seems like.)
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it deals with that there are other prophets too you know raise their protests against the abuse of Jeremiah is full of it and Ezekiel and Amos and so on the destruction of Jerusalem and the Captivity of the Jews in Babylon that we read so much about the scripture was as do as it was due to their desecration of the Sabbath among other things in fact why were they in captivity for 70 years
second chronicles 36 20 and 21 tell you the reason they were in captivity for 70years is because for for 490 years they failed to keep the sabbatical year
so God says you owe me 70. and that isn't some commentators quip it's Express at the end of second chronicles 36 check it out God takes his instructions for the Sabbath and sabbatical years seriously
now I'm not suggesting that we are legally bound to follow those rules don't misunderstand me
but we do get the impression that God wants us to understand that he takes the Sabbath seriously and what he's after isn't the rules
what he's after is our focus of attention
2/22/25)
see in later times
they perverted their the Sabbath
with their Traditions
well
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that of course led to the Exile Hosea predicted that God would make Israel's Sabbath's decease because of her unfaithfulness in Isaiah chapter 2.
it was not meant to be permanent
Isaiah and Ezekiel emphasized that because they it while they condemned them for not keeping the Sabbath they point to the day when it will be restored someday all those promises the Millennium and stuff were encouragements that someday these This Cloud will be lifted
Nehemiah
was shocked when he when he finally gets to Jerusalem
and he realizes how far they've Fallen
(Sounds like us now)
he isn't institutes in Nehemiah 13 a whole bunch of reforms
Nehemiah is a great book on leadership and he's quite a leader
(Mendenhall Reference Bible,
non-denominational intro
to the book of Nehemiah states:
"Appointed as governor
Nehemiah provided security
from enemy interference
by rebuilding the city walls.
(Get yourselves out of the world,
you can visit, just don't stay.)
He also demonstrated
aggressive leadership
in civic and political affairs
creating favorable conditions
for the religious reforms
initiated by Ezra.
RESONATES, HEARTILY.
AS DOES:
Nehemiah
Nehemiah 2:17-18
17 Then said I unto them, Ye see the distress that we are in, how Jerusalem (Christendom) lieth waste, and the gates thereof are burned with fire (Satan): come, and let us build up the wall of Jerusalem (Christendom, let us separate ourselves from the worldly which we have married ourselves to, politics etc), that we be no more a reproach. (An embarrassment)
18 Then I told them of the hand of my God
which was good upon me;
(Got a list of bonafides
a mile long)
as also
the king's words
that he had spoken unto me.
(Not complicated in figuring out who that is)
And they said,
Let us rise up and build.
So they strengthened their hands
for this good work.
Nehemiah 2:20
20 Then answered I them,
and said unto them,
The God of heaven,
he will prosper us;
therefore we his servants
will arise and build:
but ye have no portion, nor right,
nor memorial, in Jerusalem.)
(Yes we shall,
build up the wall between us and the world
once again, watch and see.)
but he institutes reforms about uh regarding the Sabbath so effective was his reforms that when you get successively uh the Maccabean period and so forth many chose to die rather than desecrate the Sabbath even for self-defense
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when they were going to war against The Maccabees many would refuse to go to war on South they didn't want to violate the Sabbath they were that intense even though it meant their death and and they uh and of course they they made it very clear that self-defense was you know the national interest was essential here but anyway as the years go by the the rules multiplied and so did the ruses to circumvent them and uh it's a uh it's interesting that uh Matthias who's the leader of the revolt against the tyranny of Antiochus IV Antiochus Epiphanes he ruled he had a rule that was permissible to take up arms against their their their their oppressors and that was a big deal but if you go to Israel today uh it's you'll be astonished as you encounter these strange things that they put on themselves if you go to a hotel you want to always check the hotel the the the the panel inside the elevator because you don't want to get in the Sabbath elevator because you'll discover that on Shabbat certain elevators are programmed to stop on every floor or they have two odd or even
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because the idea of touching a button to tell what floor is considered work now you look at that and you say these guys are crazy see but that's the that's the rabbinical ruling and that's the way they live they hopefully and most Cosmopolitan there is a elevator that isn't a Shabbat elevator so it'll go to the floor you push but Orthadox you can't use those on Shabbat he's got to use one of them that's what they call a Shabbat elevator and it's it's one of two kinds either stops at every floor or it's one of two odds and even whatever but so that he doesn't have to touch a button and you look at that you think you know you you it's it's it's um it's it's uh it's bizarre and uh so the more rules they make of course the more there are ways to circumvent them
and so you
can't legislate devotion
(Zechariah 4:6
Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts. )
you study this through and you go read the prophets and realize you're the thing you come across
you can't legislate devotion
because
God is interested in the heart
not the action
(Sounds like honey talking :-)
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and now you get to the New Testament period we're trying to get some picture here okay that was the Old Testament that if you were in a Jew and in the Old Testament we think we understand that let's get to New Testament Jesus it was his custom to attend synagogue on this on Shabbat you know we always read about it all through the gospels he's attending the synagogue on Shabbat and he taught Jesus taught the authority and validity of the Old Testament law in many many ways in fact he Amplified it in ways that are scary he took it even another yard he said I've lived by The Ten Commandments I don't think you do but people claim they do I live by the sermon on the monut oh really you think the Ten Commandments are hard read the sermon on the mount because they go right to the heart he reinterprets the Ten Commandments in a way that's really scary now his emphasis always was on not on the external observance of the law but on a spontaneous performance of the will of God which underlays the law
we want to understand the law
so you understand what God's will is
but what you want to do is
be consistent with God's will
(Remember that,
there is an important post brewing so to speak, coming up here in the near future that will focus very specifically on just that,
believers going against Gods will,
when it was done,
what happened to those who did it,
and why it is so very important for us to remember it, right now this very instant
in our current circumstances.)
not with the letter of the law
and it's how interesting to if you're going to be pharisaitic or legalistic you try to obey the letter of the law and get around it by some subterfutes
that's the typical way
that our culture does everything
whether it's whether
it's the tax laws
or anything else
(“As a businessman and real estate developer, I have legally used the tax laws to my benefit and to the benefit of my company, my investors and my employees. I mean, honestly, I have brilliantly — I have brilliantly used those laws,” Trump said during a rally in Pueblo, Colorado. “I have often said on the campaign trail that I have a fiduciary responsibility to pay no more tax than is legally required, like anybody else, or put another way: to pay as little tax as legally possible. And I must tell you, I hate the way they spend our tax dollars.”
Donald Trump
Trump boasts about ‘brilliantly’ using the tax laws)
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there are six major conflicts in the in the gospels he defended his disciples you may recall for plucking Grain on the Sabbath day and he eluded to the time of David and his men ate the bread of the presence you may recall they were they were all upset
(Not these days they wont recall it
Because
Nobody ever preaches about it
Mercy trumps sacrifice,
if you can give mercy?
Then give it.
(Show Bread)
Practicality trumps ritual,
(Goliaths Sword,
if you have to choose?
Go with practicality
(Thats from Matthew Henrys commentary those verses BTW)
Its lent,
I am fasting from 6 AM to 6 PM.
When we are at home?
I stick to it.
If we are out?
I eat as close to 6 as I can.
5:45 maybe, like twice now.
Am I worried about it?
No.
Why?
Because it is the intention of my heart
that matters
not some archaic legalistic requirement.
It's a voluntary religious exercise to begin with.
So why bother getting all legalistic about it?)
because disciples were it was legitimate when you walk by a field to take what you could do but not on the Sabbath day but in this case they did it on the Sabbath day and what Jesus is really all the way through this
the theme of all these conflicts is
Jesus is in charge,
the Sabbath was there
to commemorate the creation
who was the creator
Jesus Christ
the opening three verses of John , Colossians 2
one of the great realizations
once you really understand
that Jesus Christ
was the creator himself
incarnate in
and had entered his creation
it explains everything else.
(EXACTLY!
Get off the milk!
It's spoiled!
How many don't ever seem to understand or realize this is just unbelievable to me.
It's is how he controlled events,
weather, natural forces etc.
Why wouldn't he have done so?
He created them,
why wouldn't he be able to control them?
I do not worship "a man".
I worship his creator
who just happened to come be with us
as one.)
that all these weird things going on suddenly make a lot of sense another time he reminded his critics that priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and were held Guiltless in in Matthew chapter 12. in other words there he's pointing out there's a difference between ceremonial law and and moral law and he placed the Sabbath commandment in the category of ceremonial law
human need takes precedence
over ceremonial requirements
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and he made reference also to circumcising a male on the Sabbath day because they did that he points out that you know their cases where the Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath now it's interesting he actually expressed anger over those in Capernaum who showed more concern for the punctilious observance of the Sabbath than for a human being who is deprived of the use of a hand he healed the per with it hand and they're all upset because he violated the Sabbath
where are their values?
and by the way we see that today how many well-intended people in the ecological movement are more concerned about some obscure moth than than the feeding of families and so forth you wonder where where they're coming from and uh it's not that one isn't legitimate this question which one has precedence people or dogs and animals whatever
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I know I've told you my my daughter was really into the animal rights thing for a while you know and she said Daddy which is little did you know there could be animals in heaven it must be she thought because there's horses Jesus comes riding a horse it must be animals in heaven that says of course there are of course there are we know
they're cats in heaven she says really Dad?
oh absolutely where
else would they get the strings for the harps
she almost hit me
on another occasion Jesus rebuked the ruler of the synagogue who became indignant when he healed a woman who had a spirit of infirmity for 18 years 18 years he has this problem he heals it and the ruler of synagogue is all upset because those Sabbath day thing you know
Jesus asserted his lordship over the Sabbath
and let me give you an example that you won't find any list in the most commentaries these six are very well known there's another occasion you need to really understand that's John 2 when he turns the water into wine everybody's familiar with that thing but there's a couple things you need to understand
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no one knew it except his disciples it was an inside deal so to speak but you need to understand to understand what was going on there you understand what water did he use he used the water of purification
which means the home was a home of a priest by the way
and they had this water that was specially ceremonial dealt with from the temple but it's up there in Cana and it was used for Ceremony very very special pardon me ceremonial purposes use that water to uh to turn the water into wine and uh he's demonstrating to his private inside group the guests didn't know what they thought was just wine they were complementary
the disciples
that were paying attention
suddenly realized
that he's declaring himself
higher than the Torah
he's the Lord Dutch to the Sabbath
he's the lord of the purification water
and everything else
so it's a large
that's one of the first Clues you get
who we're dealing with here
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there were seven healings on the Sabbath the Demonic and capernauman in Mark 12 Peter's mother-in-law and Capernaum again the mark one both were in mark one excuse me the impotent man in Jerusalem in John 5 the man with the withered hand and Mark III but also recorded in Matthew 12. the woman that was bowed together that was in Luke 13 the man with dropsy in Luke 14 the man born blind and John 9. seven healings were on the Sabbath
so some people say well Jesus always done on the Sabbath no those those are recorded because they were so controversial because they were on the Sabbath and uh in mark one there's a there was a there was a healing on a Sunday not a Saturday a Shabbat so so don't get the impression that these seven are recorded that they're the only ones that was all he always some people say you always held in the Sabbath day that's not true he did one that recorded Mark if for
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another reason to point out that wasn't the issue
the reason they're controversial strangely is because they're doing a Sabbath day
and Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath Mark 2:27.
Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath
let's keep that in our mind as we go forward in this very thorny topic in the early church the early Christians of course were loyal Jews no surprise we have a Jewish gospel from Jewish leaders from a Jewish Bible with a Jewish king and a Jewish Messiah we need to understand our heritage every
every benefit you and I as Gentiles have
derived from the Covenant of Abraham
and everything that derives from that now these early Christians that were Jewish and they worshiped daily at the temple in Jerusalem you won't understand the book of Hebrews until you understand the Dilemma of the Jew before the temple fell in from say from the crucifixion to the 70 A.D there's a window in there that's bizarre for a Jew because the Temple's still going and God ordained priests are doing God ordained practices is it tough they're in a tough spot you really don't understand that this is the Hebrews until you understand that but anyway they worship day on the temple and after that they also attended services in the synagogue in Acts 9 13 14 17 and so forth they revered the law of Moses
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the early Christians were Jewish
they were Mosaic Jews
they weren't talmudic Jews
(What is the difference between the Talmud & the Mosiac Law?)
there was they they the law of Moses Acts 20 make that very clear there were disputes as Christian as a Gentiles start becoming Christians what was imposed upon them big debate understandably well it was a big debate that gets resolved in Acts 15. of just what requirements a gentile Christian had to do and Shabbat was not one of them okay that was not an issue there were just a minimum number of things that they get that that they agree on and and gets put into letters of authorization let's talk about Paul and the Sabbath
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Paul regarded the law as a yoke of bondage from which the Christian had been set free that's the whole thrust of Galatians the whole thrust of the book of Romans in fact you can probably find it normal either directly or indirectly attacking all of his Epistles the law was a yoke of bondage from which the Christians set free that's what the good news is all about many of the things in the law were prophetic they were typological therefore teaching and if you really want to understand that get our breifing pack on the seven feasts of Moses and let me get into that Paul made no distinction between moral and ceremonial law it was all part of the old Covenant which was done away in Christ second Corinthians 3 14 as an example find many verses that say the same thing in fact in Colossians 2 14 he says that the handwriting these ordinances were nailed to the cross he's using an idiom from from a from prison when you served when you were declared guilty you had a debt to
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society that was an actual debt instrument that's where the term comes from you owed Society a debt you five years in prison the Jailer had that document every time you served a year it would be annotated and when and if you escape after the third of your five of your five year things the remaining the unpaid two years that prisoner had to pay I mean the the uh the prison keeper the the guy in charge when you finally served your five years they'd take that document and say paid in full and authorize it and give it to you in the Greek that was totelestyle us die in John 19:30 when Jesus is on the cross it's translated
it is finished
(Hear that Mormons?
Jehovah witnesses?
Muslims?
Your own book states the Bible is true.
Then what do you need yours for?)
the word is to telestyle in the Greek you can translate it
it is finished paid in full
is what the word he wrote totelestyle the certificate of debt your debt was paid in full on that cross that doesn't mean that doesn't give you a license it just means that the the the the guilt the shame the payment for that has been provided completely in Christ and to try to add to that is blasphemy the Sabbath and other festivals new moons and what have you are declared to be by Paul in Colossians 2 only a shadow of what's to come
SECTION 2
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the reason these festivals are there we're not just commemorative they were that too but they were primarily prophetic and as prophecy unfolds we're going to discover relationships among those festivals and things that will astonish us as as we understand them better
the great tragedy of the church is that very early years it became anti-Semitic and it abandoned the Old Testament in fact in most churches today they teach the New Testament most most Christians if they know anybody know new they don't know the Old Testament what a tragedy we don't understand the new because its roots are in the old
that's where you are way ahead
if you recognize it's a single book
the New Testament
did not obsolete the
old it fulfilled it
there's a big difference
also says
to observe where Paul says quote
to observe days months and seasons and years
is to be slaves to quote
"the weak and beggarly Elemental spirits"
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it's very interesting if you read Paul you'll notice
people who live by the rules
are considered weaker in faith
than those that understand
their freedom in Christ
(2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is the Spirit,
and where the Spirit of the Lord is,
there is freedom)
don't misunderstand that as licensed to sin don't misunderstand me but adhering to these ceremonial procedures is a shelter from what God is really after and that's your heart
the observance of days in Romans 14 first six verses the observance of days is a characteristic of quote the man who is weak in faith see someone who's stronger in faith there'll be situations where he'll obey the rules so that the weaker in faith won't stumble but notice who's the weaker in faith the one that's following the rules the stronger Faith May obey the rules to in deference to not offend the weaker in faith watch those (unknown word) in Romans 14 and elsewhere Paul deals with that now the question
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what about the apostolic practice well after his resurrection they'll always point out he appeared to his disciples on four successive Sundays
(Mat 28:1, Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1, John 20:1)
so that's where you have to say that Sunday becomes then the day of commemoration of his resurrection I'm not knocking that I'm saying this is where it's hanging on in fact Pentecost which is the birth of the church was by definition on a Sunday
so those are the arguments made
to why we practice on Sunday
I'm not knocking it
don't misunderstand me
but I think there's a mistake
to assume
that Sunday replaces Shabbat
they're two different things
and we choose appropriately to honor the Lord's Resurrection by celebrating Sunday no problem with that not not disparaging it but
there's a bridge
that the church has crossed
that you cannot find
scriptural support for
that somehow Sunday replaced Shabbat
(Oh there's a lot of bridges
"the church has crossed
that you cannot find scriptural support for."
Believe that:
I am not a republican.
I am not a gun owner.
(Currently :-)
I absolutely
can not stand
the "pro-birth" movement.
How many state sponsored executions
did they protest?
Where were they
during this?
is pro ALL life
(not just fertilized eggs and embryos)
or you are selectively enforcing
your values.
No thanks,
and besides:
Matthew 7:3
“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust
in your brother’s eye
and pay no attention
to the plank in your own eye?
Everybody's sin is between them and God,
not them,
you and God.
Get over yourselves already.
How many of pro-birthers
ever adopted a child?
Kinda makes it seem
to a lot of us anyway
that you are not being
very sincere in your beliefs
and just wanna be judgmental.
NOT YOUR JOB.
Before long the
"rights of the unborn"
are gonna be applied
to not being able to pull the plug
on AI's.
Come show me in scripture
where it says
I have to be a pro-life,
republican,
gun owning
Trump fan boy
or Im not a believer in Christ.
THAT
is how far we have fallen.)
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not into the law don't misunderstand me now some intended the Ascension occurred on a Sunday but that's a problem because with 40 days intervening between resurrection and Ascension it and you don't get 40 days between two Sundays okay I've tried it doesn't work they did meet on a Sunday night in Acts 20 verse 7.
but Sunday night was really
with their Monday wasn't it
that's interesting now they'll always quote people are on this kick large quote First Corinthians 16 1-2 on the first day of the week let each one of you lay by them stores got his property prospered in why Paul says so there'll be no Gatherings when I come so if you're going to build your case on that that's the only thread they've got to try to say gee we should if they worship on a Sunday no they call it did their collection on Sunday so they wouldn't be collecting when Paul was visiting there's another thing he said they always assert that we never see Christ meeting with his disciples on any other day well that's not true because in John 20 verse 26 after eight days he appears again well you don't get eight days between Sundays right so anyway
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now everybody said well what did the early church do you want
I'll be frank with you
I don't care what the early church did
( I just about fell out lol)
uh I've read I had a whole bunch of slides that what Irene all these all these different Church fathers and all different views you sort through all that you don't get a clear picture anyway but you also have another problem when you read the seven letter seven churches in Revelation two and three the thing that leaps out at you is every one
every one of those seven churches
was surprised by the report card
(We would be too,
most of us anyway.)
so they couldn't have been on track
they all had some problem or another each were surprised those that thought they were doing well weren't they weren't at all those that thought they weren't doing well were doing well what I learned from those seven letters among other things a lot of other things actually is that
as early as 96 A.D
the church was confused
so I wouldn't use them as the model
book of Acts sure
but later I don't think so
(Lead like Nehemiah
Church like Acts.
Lead like Nehemiah
Church like Acts.
Lead like Nehemiah
Church like Acts.
Lead like Nehemiah
Church like Acts.
Gotcha.)
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we know from the early church they were full of Errors
(Trying to sort out the supernatural aint exactly an easy proposition.)
Origen had his allegorical hermeneutics
which is clearly unscriptural
but laid the foundation for things like
Augustine's on Amillennialism
(Warning, detour ahead
for a minute.
Amillennialism
"The belief that the kingdom of God
is already present in the world
but in a spiritual sense."
Kinda hard to believe that
Satan has been bound up
and unable to deceive these days aint it?
Bound from Heaven sure,
but unable to deceive the nations?
I mean the reality we see just plainly
and decisively says differently.
John F. Walvoord
Reference:
(Fall of ecclesiastical Revelation 17
and The Fall of political/economic Babylon Revelation 18
posts.)
Amillenniallism from Augustine to Modern Times
"Augustinian amillennialism is suitable as a test case for amillennialism. In other words, does the viewpoint of Augustine demonstrate a proper method of interpreting Scripture?...
Does it fit the facts of history?"
And we can clearly see today
that it just absolutely doesn't.
And in fact:
"Prior to Augustine,
amillennialism was associated with the heresies
produced by the allegorizing and spiritualizing school of theology at Alexandria
which not only opposed premillennialism
but subverted any literal exegesis of Scripture whatever."
That is 100% exactly what
amillennialism is.
Heresy.
And should be treated as such.
And to those who would still want to espouse that view?
IN LIGHT OF WHAT HAS BEEN
REVEALED TO US IN OUR TIME?
Roman Catholic,
Reformed protestant,
watever...?
Let me give you a lil reminder about something:
THE PHARASIES SOUGHT TO PRESERVE
THE STATUS QUO
WHEN THE FACTS
RIGHT IN FRONT OF THIR FACE
(Christ)
SAID OTHERWISE AS WELL.
Where are the Pharisees now?
"Pharisees were members of a party that believed in resurrection and in following legal traditions that were ascribed not to the Bible but to “the traditions of the fathers.” Like the scribes, they were also well-known legal experts:"
Those that hold to the position of amillennialism
in light of overwhelming current evidence to the contrary? Will undoubtedly meet the same fate as they did.
To hold to a position that has been disproven, as amillennialism has? Makes you a false teacher,
Jude 13
"...whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever."
and you will most assuredly meet the same fate
Why do you think The Pope was in the hospital recently?
That position amillennialism has simply been rendered indefensible.
I would say it right to the Pope
or ANY
patriarchs face,
without hesitation.
None.
The history we see unfurling in front of us,
simply negates that position.
GOD IS PISSED
AND ALL THIS NON-SENSE
ABOUT HIS WORD
AND HIS PROMISES NOT COMING TRUE
(Book of Revelation)
FROM WITHIN THE CHURCH?
Bout to be done away with.
For good.
TOUGH.
Wake up and live!
RNM
sang.
(great horn section BTW :-).
Also I Just wanna point out that in my other readings it has been pointed out that Augustine was also influential in espousing of the Sethian view of Genesis 6 as opposed to the angel view.
I understand nobody gets everything, let alone 100% correct
(Yes even me :-).
But one is an accident, two is a trend, and the easiest way to deceive (do Satans work) would be to mix in some falsehood with the truth so as to utterly confound a people
John F Walvoord again,
same article as before.
"While the contribution of Augustine is principally noted in the areas of the doctrine of the church, hamartiology, the doctrine of grace, and predestination, he is also the greatest landmark in the early history of amillennialism."
"The test of any system of interpretation
is its correspondence
to the facts of history.
This is especially true
in interpretation of prophecy."
Back to Missler:
which became the eschatology of not only the Catholic church but the Protestant reformed churches as well
and England rested the scriptures on
(Time to fall back and regroup,
lest you end up like the Pharisees.
Seriously Preterism
(Preterism holds that the contents of Revelation constitute a prophecy of events that were fulfilled in the first century.)
is dead.
Amillennialism?
Dead.
Pretribulation rapture?
Dead
Aint a whole lot of options left folks.
Might wanna get it together
and wrap your heads around a few things:
- AI as Antichrist.
- Trump as False Prophet.
- Me and honey as the Two witnesses.
- 10 kings without a Kingdom, Tech Bros.
- Three unclean spirits being Freud, Marx, and Darwin.
If one holds the Preterist view or the Amillennialist view?
Then please come and explain the bulleted points listed above to me.
Okay now back to Missler
for real this time :-).
Amillennialism is an indictment of the character of God it says he doesn't keep his promises
so there are problems
so I wouldn't use the church as the model
I use the word of God as the model
by the way something else you should be understand the rising anti-Semitism in those early centuries
makes their views about Sunday Sabbath suspect to me because this
the Sunday Sabbath came about because of a Constantine
but I think it was welcomed by those that were anti-jewish
you see why in a minute
Constantine very very important figure that shows up from about 274 to 337 incredible leader
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incredible Emperor emperor Constantine on October 27th in 312 A.D in the famous battle of Milvian bridge apparently saw a vision that said in this sign conquer and he defeated his enemies which made him the ruler of the world it's actually his dad was but it's a I won't get in all that right now um he originally was a votary of the Sun and gone to worship at the Grand Temple of the Sun in the vasagas mountains in Gaul where he had his first Vision the Pagan one he's had several Visions
now whether these were real Visions he saw
maybe it were
or whether
public relations stunts
along the way
that was the style of that day you know
so I'm not here to quarrel that but I want you to understand he came from a sun worshiping background now he ultimately give him his credit he ultimately abolished slavery he abolished the Gladiator fights he abolished abortions the killing of unwelcome children this guy had he was a very Progressive guy he abolished crucifixion as a form of execution this is Constantine
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that's impressive especially when you understand the Dismal history that preceded him he was so frustrated with the paganism of the aristocracy in Rome he moved the capital of the world to Byzantium we named it the new Rome/Constantinople quite a guy now
you need to understand what he was after
he was trying to unify this Empire
that he finds himself in charge of he was faced with uniting an Empire that had three forms of pagan Sun worshipers set aside the Christians which were illegal and underground but growing very very broadly by the third Century 4th century there was a Syrian solar Cults of Sol Invictus the uncomfortable son and also another Assyrian cult called Jupiter dolichenus which is the Roman storm God these are different these are spot Sun worshipers but of different kinds there's also the Persian Cult of Mithra the ancient Iranian God of Light so yes they're Sun worshipers but there's three different warring groups of these guys that all make up his his his electorate
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and by the way this is the same Pagan pragmatism that Muhammad employed in syncretizing the 360 Idols of the Kaaba in the worship of Al-llah in Islam but that's another story
but it's the same kind of ground rules here
of trying to provide some Unity
so what does Constantine do he he
in 313 he signs the Edict of Toleration
and by the way
let me explain the Edict of Toleration he didn't make it the what he the the Christians were illegal underground
he made them legal he didn't make everybody Christian he made it legal to be a Christian
that was a big break for them Big Break then
eight years later
he establishes Sunday as a special day of worship,
Why Sunday? Because he's got three different groups of sun worshipers that'll Embrace that he gives it to the Christians too figuring that you know they're they they acknowledge the Resurrection Day
so it looked like
and it was
a unifying concept
for the Empire
very practical thing to do
now by the time you get four years later he exhorts the public to embrace Christianity doesn't make it compulsory he just encourages people to become Christians
that may be just shrewd politics
because of their numbers
Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven,
saying,
Come out of her, my people,
that ye be not partakers of her sins,
and that ye receive not of her plagues.
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all kinds of Scholars
have all kinds of views
and I'm not here to sort that out
I just want you to have
a broader view than is often presented
in 337 he dies
but he's baptized on his Deathbed
which to me casts a cloud
on all these
Christian Visions he saw before
I think they may
they may have been
very simple
pragmatic
political
public relations
(Really?
Interesting
me too,
in that case
as well as this one:
Matthew 6:5-6
Prayer
“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.'
So how well
does anybody,
in any of those pictures
understand
what the scripture says?
They are
not a one
of any of them
adhering to the teachings of Christ.
Mad yet?
Good,
then I am doing my job:
Revelation 11:10
"...because
these two prophets
tormented them
that dwelt on the earth."
You are going to be
a whole lot more tormented
before were done,
that I can guarantee you.
That is all
those pictures above were
just public relations stunts,
otherwise?
WHY DO YOU NEED A CAMERA THERE
TO RECORD IT?
Satan deceives you
by telling you
what you want to hear.
Go ask Eve.
DUH.
Revelation 18:4
"Come out of her my people")
Back to Missler:)
but he gets baptized on his deathbed in 337 before he dies
his successor Theodosiys
is the guy
that made Christianity the state religion in 380 AD
40 years later
he affirmed the dogmas of
and
he made
church membership compulsory
the greatest tragedy
the church had ever experienced
no regeneration here
just join sign up
sign a card you're in you know the whole the whole deal
by 392 within 12 years there's forcible suppression of all other religions all other religions
and the great apostasy
of the church began
(100% agree,
I have never and will never have anything to do with a Creed that was created by the calling of a council by a Roman Military Dictator!
Absolutely not!
The apostles creed said at baptism is where I am going. All the Theology you will ever need to understand said right there in that moment, the only church liturgy needed for the event, would be members pledging to help, support and encourage the one having just been Baptized.
What else would you need and why?)
Your
now if our perception of
Revelation 17 and 18 13 17 18
are correct
this ecumenical movement
that we see
going on a global scale
will lead to a
again
a form of ecclesiastical tyranny
that will be the climax of human history
(The "ecumenical movement
that we see going on a global scale"
will be the worship
of The Antichrist
after he declares himself God
at the temple in Jerusalem)
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and if you want background on this I encourage you to get our briefing package called the kingdom of blood that Dave Hunt and I did together or even better get his book the woman rides the Beast there are some small points in there that I might not agree with but that guy does his homework and I think it's one of the best documented exposes on that subject so I encourage you to check it out
you know Hegel is right uh
hegel's famous for saying that uh
history teaches us
that man learns nothing
from history
(We are seeing that again right now.)
we're going down the same path
that they did in the 4th century
or will be
I should say
(Already have,
I say.
Hopefully?
We can come out of it.
Large numbers of us anyway.)
well we get the Sunday Sabbath you see
no one's quarreling with honoring God on Sunday that's appropriate
no one's quarreling with honoring God on Saturday or the seventh day
but only Christ has the authority
to make an official change of Shabbat
he is the Lord of creation
he's the lord of the Sabbath
and there's no such change
highlighted in the scripture
Christ was the creator and what's that's what that's what Shabbat honors both Saturday and Sunday both honor Christ
and
Shabbat of course is
originally a memorial of creation
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but a work even greater than creation
namely the Redemption as as uh accomplished by him
remember the entire Jewish calendar was changed when they got out of Egypt before Exodus 12 their year started where they did on Rosh Hashanah in the fall first of tissue in Exodus 12
because of Passover you make this month the beginning of months
the entire calendar which that's why they have two calendars
so we naturally expect a change would take place to make the Sabbath the memorial of a greater work the trouble is you can't find any specific text that says so
therein lies the ambiguity
that's why so many people have strong views both ways
or people that are very comfortable making Sunday their Sabbath and fine others that really get upset and not only just The Seventh-Day Adventists there's lots of Messianic types and so forth they're Gentiles but they still you know crawl under the laws some people would put it
SECTION 3
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now there are some prophetic implications
it turns the apple cart right on over
because just about the time you're comfortable with Sunday rather than Saturday as most Christians are you run into the fact that in Isaiah 66 the Sabbath the Shabbat will continue as the basis of worship in the millennium when Christ comes back remember
when he comes back he's Jewish
and in the millennial Temple they will worship on Shabbat not on Sunday not the first day week the seventh day of the week
in Ezekiel's Temple Ezekiel 46 verse 1 the gate to the inner court is closed six days of the week open only on Shabbat and on the day of the new moon
so he got this Jewish coloration of the thing okay
and so that causes to realize that there hasn't been whatever changes may have occurred during the church period fine well and good they're not that permanent
apparently see in Isaiah 66 is for the new Heavens A New Earth
which will I make God says shall remain before me say the Lord so
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shall your seed and your name remain and shall come to pass it from one new moon to the other and from one Shabbat to another shall All Flesh come to worship before me saith the Lord really
All Flesh
not just Jews
All Flesh
wow
Ezekiel 46:1 just take the first verse with the whole chapters on this thus saith the Lord God the Gate of the inner court that looketh toward the East shall be shut the six working days but on the Shabbat it shall be opened and in the day of the new moon it shall be open most Scholars take for granted that the the temple in Ezekiel from 40 to 48 is the millennial Temple so if that's true and I think it is this uh points out it'll be very Jewish
and it's in it's a calendar
so where are we
is the question
(This is 22-23 years ago,
it is plainly obvious
where we are now.)
I'm going to point out to you there's no grounds for imposing the Sabbath on a Christian who is free from the burden of the Law's demands most the New Testament to be mustered to support that thesis
the spirit of Christ
enables a Christian
to fulfill God's will
apart from the external observances
of the law
so worship on Saturday if you like fine but not because don't get under the law or you misunderstand the whole book of Romans the whole book of Galatians etc etc the writer to Hebrews really unravels is for you if you read it carefully the
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writer of Hebrews alludes to the Sabbath as a foreshadowing or a type of God's rest which is the inheritance of all people of God
so it is a prophetic
broader spiritual implication
we're urged then
in a larger sense
to strive to enter into that rest
not the Sunday
not not the Sabbath rules
but to to rest
and trust and abide in God's
uh provision for you
let's move back to the text to move on because there's more to the chapter than we've covered these are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created in the day that the Lord
God made the earth and the heavens
now this incidentally is the first of ten teledots or Generations there's ten in the Book of Genesis this is the first of ten this is the gender what you've seen so far is like it is it's it's sort of like a family tree of the heavens and the Earth but something very interesting it says that uh
in the day that the Lord God
that's the King James way of rendering
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you'll notice all through the uh the English Bible
you'll find different words whether it's the Lord God different
they use that term to translate
Yahweh Elohim
which is the Covenant name this is very strange to be here Elohim were familiar that's the Creator God the Yahweh or Jehovah however you want to call it the unpronounceable name of God Tetragrammaton is the Covenant name God uses that when he's talking about a covenant relationship to the people that tells me by a very convoluted line of reasoning that Adam wrote this and I'll show you why in another minute from verse from from the last part of verse 4 to uh first verse of chapter five many scholars believe it was written by Adam himself ,
I'll show you some verb tenses that seem to say the same thing let's move on verse next verse and every plant of the field before it was in the earth and every herb of the field before it grew
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and the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the Earth and there was not a man until the ground
notice there's no such thing as rain so you can you can begin to understand when you get to chapter six and Noah and all that he said it was going to rain it wasn't like they were used to having rain there was they never had rain the whole hydrological cycle was different we don't know much about it there's all kinds of conjectures The Institute of creation research down in San Diego has a whole thing they do about what Canopy Theory and all this
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expanding heavens?
I am really surprised he hasn't mentioned
the Ort cloud by this point)
and I'm not here to knock it it's controversial in its own right
(Given the Ort cloud? It may have some physical evidence for it, which is more than the various multiverse theories have going for them.
Wanna point out that this was done 22 years ago and he hasn't mentioned anything about any multiverse, theories or anything else, because at that time they hadnt gained any traction yet, that alone tells you exactly what is up as Satan knows its late in the game for him (Revelation 12:12).
from various people but the point is it does say here did not it did not rain there's not a man to till the ground but there went up a mist from the earth it watered the whole face the ground so somehow the whole vegetation plant Animal Kingdom the whole thing was different
and uh apparently didn't need care
and the Lord God formed
man of the Dust of the ground
wow
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life
and Man became a living soul
you know it's very interesting
he formed the man of dust the ground now
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it's not obvious except to a very experienced scientist but
all the ingredients in your body
can be found in the ground
most of its carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, calcium, and a whole bunch of Trace elements but it's interesting they are in the ground now you say how do they know you know there was it a wild guess you know, it's not an obvious kind of observation especially when you push it to the Limit say is it really true let's count the atoms so and and under scientific inquiry they verified it it's very strange
and now
putting the elements together
doesn't make it alive
(The dust I see is the cosmic dust of the earth (ground), all of the stuff we are walking around in and dont even know it
(Neutrinos etc)
COMBINED
with
the elements in the ground.
(Cosmic dust of the earth as it were)
And when the earth dissolves?
As it says in 2nd Peter 3:10-12
Where does all of that go?
IDK,
space runs away lol.
Ask him when we get there
I suppose :-)
But did you hear that
NDT?
"putting the elements together
doesn't make it alive"
You think they dont know that?
Are you kidding?
You can have the perfect conditions just like we have here on earth, on every planet that exist, in all of the cosmos, you can have an abundance of ALL OF the elements that make up life, and if you don't have a life-giver? Then you will never ever have life, its honestly just that simple, "Numbers don't equal life", Marcelo Gleiser, an abundance of conditions and elements just cant do it.)
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God made it alive
it's interesting that nobody has ever made a single cell every cell on the planet Earth derives from a previous cell they've never been able to create us
(The life force
is completely
external
to the elements
that make up living things,
this is why
consciousness is not
a physical entity)
they've played around creating certain proteins and stuff I won't start I won't go down that path right we've been through enough of that
(Okay I will then lol
All of that above?
Gets you a couple of seconds
of RNA
in a lab
with an outside agent directing the process.
It's just complete foolishness.)
but the point is understand that this is unique
and by the way I understand something else
Adam is designated in Luke
as a Son of God a
direct creation of God
you and I are not
unless you're born again
that's a whole other thing
we're sons of Adam
not sons of God
Adam's very unique
very distinctive
the Lord God planted a garden Eastward in Eden and there he put the man whom he had formed
where was the Garden
with respect to Eden
East of Eden
now most of us take for granted that the Garden of Eden is roughly in the area of the Fertile Crescent, Euphrates, Tigris all that business okay let's grant that
if that's where the Garden of Eden was
where was Eden west of there
Gardens East of Eden so Eden must be west of the garden you with me so far what is west of the Fertile Crescent Israel yes I'm not suggesting that that's Eden exactly but suddenly I'm kind of intrigued with the fact that there's a particular piece of real estate on the planet Earth that God calls his own
(Most of modern day Ethiopia is also found west of the fertile crescent as well, more specifically, southwest. There's lots of rivers there as well although that doesn't correlate to a safe water supply as it is often found away from population centers. Fact is, it is west of the fertile crescent, has a large amount of river basins, they claim Enoch as their own (7th from Adam), Lucy was found there, and the first convert (Jewish, or why would he have the scroll of Isaiah?) to Christianity outside of the Holy land was from there. Not saying that was Eden either, just throwing out some information for people to be aware of.
TBH? I don't even consider Eden to have been the physical material reality that we normally construct it as, but more as the dimensions we lost access to after the Fall of man.)
his own he's put his name on it
and he's granted that to Israel as tenants
under condition of obedience
(Opps)
it does not belong to PLO does not belong to U.N it belongs and we mess around in our foreign policy we're poking our finger in the eye of God
that piece of real estate
has some very very peculiar Origins
and it has a very very manifest destiny
(We're seeing that play out in our time.)
but let's move on verse nine and out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is present in sight it's good for food the tree of life also the in the midst of the garden and the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil
we're going to hear more about that next the next session but
there's two particular trees here that at least are singled out
(The Tree of life and the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. Real literal trees you think? Not sold on that TBH. They obviously existed in some form but literal physical trees like we think of? Not so sold. Excuse my school of Alexandria hermeneutics coming into play :-).
Happens sometimes.)
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uh just a piece of review uh back back where we were in Genesis 1:29 and all the way here to Genesis 2:9 there's a passage of scripture the last part of chapter one The Early part of chapter two you with me so far we looked at this last time if you look at the Hebrew and put it on a computer you'll discover that encrypted in the Hebrew by just equidistant letter sequences are 25 trees that appear in the Bible and um what's fascinating to this is that they're not only do they have to appear in the Bible encrypted
they all cluster
around the text
that talks about the trees
now the chance of that being accidental
is absurd
it's acute I dont know what you do with it doesn't give you some new insight except I think it's a fingerprint of the Holy Spirit that the structure of the language itself has these little things hidden away in it
(Man simply couldn't seek to do it and pull it off,
with 40 different writers,
1400 years, three languages, three continents )
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let's move on because time's getting on verse 10 and River went out of Eden to water the garden and from thence it was parted and became four heads the name of the first was Paisan that is it which encompassed the whole end of Havilah wherever that is where there is gold and of course everybody's trying to figure out where Havilah is because there's apparently gold there gold in them there hills I'll tell you why you wasting your time to do that but go on here and the gold of that land is good and there's bedelium and the Onyx Stone and
the name of the second river
is the Gihon
and it is it is the same
it is it encompassed
the whole land of Ethiopia
don't
we don't look at that as Ethiopia
(Opps!
Detour time again, and for a while.
By "we" he means him and his team.
So here we are
presented again
with the anything and everything
to discount and diminish
the Jews
who first accepted Christ
outside of the Holy Land.
Philip and the Ethiopian Eunuch
Missler again:)
that's really
the word is
Kush
it's a
it's a region
("The terms Nubia, Kush, and Ethiopia (in the ancient Greek sense) mean roughly the same geographical region, but in different time periods...
Ethiopia is the Greek name for the kingdom of Kush (and more generally, for everything south of Egypt), but as geographical knowledge expanded, the term was also expanded to include the areas south of modern Sudan as well (aithiops in Greek means 'burnt-faced'
Yeah I know, redditt lol, sign of the times when the best explanations come from a
"social news aggregation, content rating, and forum social network" .
Footnote from the 1599 Geneva Bible
on Genesis 2:12
says of Kush
"Or Ethiopia."
Same with the Scofield Reference bible
The dismissive attitude
routinely exhibited
(Unger in his book Biblical Demonology
in the chapter on Eschatology and the Jews
made not one mention of them either.)
on the role of Ethiopic peoples
in both Judaism and Christianity
by white protestant evangelicals
(particularly in the US)
is simply appalling.
Seriously, its disgusting.
(The river he was speaking of)
"The book of Genesis describes Gihon as "encircling the entire land of Cush", a name associated with Ethiopia elsewhere in the Bible. This is the reason that Ethiopians have long identified the Gihon (Giyon) with the Abay River (Blue Nile), which encircles the former kingdom of Gojjam.
From a geographic standpoint this would seem impossible,
since two of the other rivers said to issue out of Eden,
the Tigris and the Euphrates, are in Mesopotamia."
Not if you consider:
2 Peter 3:6
Wherefore
the world that then was,
perished,
overflowed with the water
(The Flood)
it wouldn't seem impossible.)
"However, the scholar Edward Ullendorff has argued in support of this identification.[1] In the Fra Mauro map of 1459,
the Nile is called Gion,
giving more credence to this claim."
Now Consider the following:
1)That was the most accurate map of the world up to that time, it called The Nile "Gion".
2)The Blue Nile originates in the current Ethiopian province of Gojjam which today borders modern Sudan which was a part of The Kingdom of Kush.
3) Gojjam is located entirely within the bend of the Abbay River from Lake Tana to the border of Sudan. Always considered a sacred place, the area includes the part of the Blue Nile that many believe flowed from the Garden of Eden in the Book of Genesis.
(Count me in, I'll tell you why in a second
Also, a lil side note bout Lake Tana from the link above:
4)Tana Qirqos
Tana Qirqos is one of the Islands of Lake Tana, located in the eastern part of the Lake, near the mouth of the Gumara River. This homonymous island boasts as one of the oldest Judaic religious establishments in Ethiopia. According to legends, the Ark of the Covenant had been brought to Ethiopia by Menelik I, placed at Tana Qiros and remained there for about six hundred years before it was taken to Mary Tsion church in Aksum. The presence of sacred objects in the area are testified the allegation.
(Watched a show about it on the discovery channel years ago and have been wanting to go ever since.)
5) An elaborated altar for animal sacrifice stands on the premise of the present monastery of Tana Qirqos. There is also an iron handle of the switch, which the priests of the old Hebrew religion in the pre Christian times used to sprinkle people with blood sacrifice.)
6)The capital city of the Eastern region, Debre Marqos, is one of the oldest cities in Ethiopia is named for St. Mark. Some of the finest liturgical schools were founded in Gojjam, and an advanced form of linguistic and philosophical theological thought developed there.
7)The ancient Amharic, a Semitic language related to Arabic and Hebrew, is the official language in the area.
(It was the language of Christ.)
It is related to Ge’ez, the liturgical language of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, which dates back to 330 AD and possibly as early as the first century. A unifying force among the diverse peoples of Ethiopia, almost half of the population of the nation belongs to the Ethiopian Orthodox Church
8) First-century Jewish historian Josephus associated the Gihon river with the Nile.
The Antiquities of the Jews, 1.39
Flavius Josephus translated by William Whiston
39Euphrates also, as well as Tigris, goes down into the Red Sea. Now the name Euphrates, or Phrath, denotes either a dispersion, or a flower: by Tigris, or Diglath, is signified what is swift, with narrowness; and Geon runs through Egypt, and denotes what arises from the east, which the Greeks call Nile.
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(Of which the Blue Nile would be a part of.)
9) So combine all of that evidence together along with a dismissive attitude toward all "burnt-faced" peoples South of Egypt? And no other river is ever going to come as close to The Blue Nile as having as many reasons to believe it was " The Gihon" spoke of in
Genesis 2:13:
And the name of the second river is Gihon:
the same compasseth the whole land of [a]Cush.
Science doesn't need 100% conclusive proof,
to reach a conclusion and neither do I,
science just needs a preponderance of evidence
pointing in a certain direction more so than any other option
and that is 100% what we see here.
Until more evidence surfaces pointing to a different river?
Im going to go with The Gihon as being the Blue Nile.
Good theories having multiple streams of evidence and all.
That's Enoch 7th from Adam.
(and his prophecies)
A River out of Eden.
(Along with a map people have just willingly
chosen to ignore.)
A language with no predecessor.
(Ge'ez)
The first Jewish convert to Christianity.
outside of the Holy land.
And the fossil Lucy.
This land and its peoples
are much more important
in the evolution of
Christianity from Judaism
than most of us could ever
begin to imagine.
Matthew 20:16
So the last shall be first,
and the first last:
for many be called,
but few chosen.
Back to Missler
um and the name of the third river is the hiddekel which from a Syrian monuments by the way is that which goes toward the east of Assyria but also from a Syrian monuments we equate the Hiddekel with the Tigris by the way
at least there's a basis for that
and the fourth river is the Euphrates
(Well now?
Now there is a basis
for believing the Blue Nile
to be the Gihon as well.
Revelation 10:7
But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”)
it's fascinating to me the others were explained
Euphrates didn't need to be
I think that's interesting in other words
it was well known see
1:07:27
and uh all right let's see a couple just just a couple other things I want to pick up here in
(Wherefore the world that then was, perished,
overflowed with the water).
Peter says
the world that then was perished
so from the flood of
not just from Genesis 3
but from the flood of Noah
the world's changed completely
(Except in Ethiopia apparently as Kush just couldn't have been there, lord knows we gotta protect white evangelicals in the US delicate sensibilities.
(Something your societal priest of the day "scientist" just do not accept. And? That being the case? "the world that then was perished" Why couldn't the Gihon be the Blue Nile in Ethiopia It just seems like we are always to quick to dismiss any and everything from there to me.)
you need to understand that
so don't waste your time
looking at maps of these things
(To late lol)
the Lord God took took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to address it and to keep it and the Lord God commanded the man saying of every tree of the garden thou mayest free to eat but of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil Thou shalt not eat of it for in the day that thou edest thereof Thou shalt surely die
or in the Hebrew it actually says dying you dying you shall die now um a couple of quick observations will be more important next time but realize
where was Eve when the command was given huh
she hasn't been created yet
Adam alone
the Commandment goes to
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Adam how did Eve learn about the Commandment? From Adam right and and the the story is going to hang heavily on that issue and the Lord God said it's not good that the man should be alone I will make him and help meet for him and out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every foul of the air and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them and whatsoever Adam called every living creature that was the name thereof
how long do you think that took him more than a few days I suspect right you know we sort of get off and figure well you know what do you do okay great let's read in the morning what do you do in the afternoon I know these yeah okay and Adam gave names to all the cattle to the fowl of the air and every beast of the field but for Adam it was not found a help meet for him Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and he slept and he took one of the ribs and his ribs closed up the flesh in stead thereof and the rib which Lord God had taken from man made he woman and brought her unto
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the man
by the way this is another refutation
of evolution incidentally
there's no way anyway okay I mean some people some Christians try to reconcile evolution of the Bible you can't do it they're two different things um and by the way see the word issues the name for man and Isha is the name for a woman but anyway um deep sleep there are some Scholars that speculate or conjecture that he may have God may have had him die and raised again it doesn't doesn't say that but it could include that we don't know um and he slept but see that that's used as a euphemism in several other places and he took one of his ribs the word actually is Stella it's from his side as such and the um Adam said this is now bone of my bones and Flesh of My Flesh and she shall be called woman because she was taken out of man therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother and shall cleave to his wife and the two
and they shall be one flesh
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now this little section here is God's first Institution, the institution of marriage
Christ teaches about marriage extensively
always from these verses
he quotes this in Matthew 19 and Matthew 10. excuse Mark 10 and he quotes these very passive these very passages um therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother notice there's a concept of leaving as well as cleaving here many marriages are messed up because there hasn't been the leaving by one or both of the partners and shall cleave to his wife his wife not somebody else's wife his wife don't explain that to Hollywood I guess and they shall be one flesh and they're both naked man and his wife and we're not ashamed
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most of us take that in humanistic terms
it may be something far more profound
in the sense that they walked with God
and were probably close
remember
they were sinless at this point
they may be clothed with light
(100% agree, we are all
Quantum Light Beings,
trapped in a temporary meat suit
Consider:
1 John 3:2
2 Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.
Glorified, as Christ resurrection Glorified him?
So will ours glorify us.
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)the whole situation here probably could be far more the whole the fact that once they sin they realize they're naked doesn't mean they got some insight necessarily it means they something changed they were sensitive to so
let you work on that a little bit
(I got my head wrapped around it pretty good Chuck :-)
now the couple of other issues here to draw from this the marriage is instituted Christ bases the thing on this passage Matthew 19 and Mark 10 he quoted these verses it has one wife one wife is in viewing God's plan God's perfect plan it's heterosexual it's Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve here okay the marriage is supposed to be heterosexual and permanent
in Matthew 19 lays us out very crisply and uh something else that is also very uncomfortable to many Christians let
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alone the public at large
God intended the man
to be the head of the Union
it's not a partnership
he's the head
(I have always told honey,
you can have your own empire,
and run it however you want,
I don't care
Ill gladly stay out of it,
but
as far as us?
And Who is running us?
I am.
Period.
I have never waivered from that
and absolutely never will.)
First Corinthians 11 verses 8 and 9 first Timothy 2 verse 13 and it's all we're going to also talk about next time Ephesians 5 22 and follow me and it won't be popular there'll be many people even in this audience that may be saying yeah Chuck I've listened to you up till now but we just we just parted ways here you know um that's clearly what the scripture teaches and many of the strange things in Paul's Epistles derived from his attempt to emphasize the fact that there is a chain of command between God the man and then the family and the wife is his executive officer but he's a skipper
(His Annapolis (Navy) background is showing :-)
now some guys abrogate that by not fulfilling their role
that's a whole other discussion
but the point is that
that is God's perfect model
all of us
are a long way
from God's perfect model
anyway so if there's people among us
they're divorced or in a second
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Christ died for
all our sins,
all of them
(AMEN!
Are you living
Gods perfect plan
for your life?
Nobody is.
Not one.)
and I'm not trying to make anyone in a second marriage uh uncomfortable
but from the scripture it's clear that God's model what his plan lays out
Adam is the first Adam
what does that mean
because there is a last Adam
what is his name
Jesus Christ
Adam is a Son of God
Luke 4 verse 38 (Actually 3:38) designates him that because he's a direct creation of God you and I are our sons of Adam and therefore subject to death but um if you're born again Jesus came into his own but his own received him not John 1 verse 11 and 12.
but as many as received him
to them gave he
the power to become
the sons of God
(There is no other way.
God himself in the flesh said so.
Explore alternatives all you want
and you will only be disappointed.
There is a reason this:
Thats a heat death, a continuum of time, space, energy and matter brought forth in an instant (regardless of what preceded it), never being able to see back to the beginning of it, along with I 'll add: expanding heavens (psalms various other books of the bible, and light on two separate instances, (Electromagnetic spectrum from which everything else comes from (atoms etc) Day one and day four (star formation).
all matches up with the true science like it does.
Because
Its the COMPLETE truth
nothing else is.
once you really understand what that term means then you are see that then you're in Christ and so there really is there's a whole second creation here a new creation if you're in Christ
Adam is a figure of him to come
and he says so in Romans 5 14 and second
but you have no idea
until we get the sessions of the next chapter of how far that goes
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but a couple of hints is before we get there
the bride that Adam had was paid for
by a wound in his side
do you notice that is that ring familiar
to a spear in the side of Our Lord on the cross
who oh I got some Vibes huh
there are Gentile Brides In the scripture
it's interesting you know Eve and Adam of course Rebecca and Isaac acid Asenath Joseph Zipporah on Moses Rahab and Salman and Ruth and Boaz remember Boaz's mother was Rahab she was a immortalized? you have in each one of these cases
where there's a type or a model
or foreshadowing of a gentile bride
it's interesting to me that there's no death recorded I don't say they didn't die I don't misunderstand me but the holy spirit in many many ways
we're going to be astonished in the Book of Genesis how the Holy Spirit seems to intervene to edit the text so it fits a larger model
obviously these women die don't misunderstand me but their deaths are not recorded because
in each one in a certain way
is a type of the church
that's going to be kind of fun as you go
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through next next chapter there's gonna be chapter three you study it intensely for the next time it's the seed plot of the entire Bible in chapter three well it will encounter the nachash The Shining one who later becomes a serpent the forbidden fruit will be talked about it wasn't an apple despite well due respect to Peter Jennings or these others we will understand the methodology of deception that's used there because it's the same methodology we encounter every day first doubt the "half God said did he really say that" and then denial "he shall not surely die" and so forth same pattern today and then we'll encounter God's declaration of war not Satan's Gods declaration of war it involves two seeds not just the seed of the woman the title of Jesus Christ the kinsman redeemer but the seed of the serpent exciting stuff up till now is just a Prelude now the book starts shifting into gear and it's going to get Wilder and Wilder as we go so
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Closing Prayer
let's stand for a closing word of Prayer I love this book now as you study the Book of Genesis and I assume you stayed keep reading ahead so it all tied together understand your challenge if you were taking notes or getting an exam I want you to find Jesus Christ on every page the Book of Genesis is exciting not because of the physics we've been through enough of that it's exciting for lots of reasons but not the least of which you'll discover and you need to Discover it for yourself that Jesus Christ will emerge in every detail on every page and every situation impacts your understanding of our Kinsmen Redeemer lets bow our hearts father we do thank you for your word we thank you for bringing us together to study your word we thank you for this opportunity but we thank you Above All Things father for your word becoming incarnate and dwelling Among Us and paying the price of our failures and our sin our failures of omission as well as commission we we just thank you you've gone to such extremes for our benefit and father we would ask though that through your Holy Spirit you would reawaken in each of us a new passion a new Hunger a new appetite for your word that we each might continue to grow in the knowledge of our Lord and savior we thank you Father for our goal that kinsman redeemer promised there in the Twilights of Eden and achieved on that wooden cross some 2000 years ago we thank you Father that we're on the threshold of him taking possession how we applaud that day yet father we would ask you to help us prepare ourselves and also to be more effective stewards of the opportunities that you've tailored for each of us as we commit ourselves into your hands without any reservation not to a set of rules or laws which would do no more than highlight our failures but rather father by our spirit that it might be just in tune with you help us to be in step in resonance with your heart and not our own designs as we just commit ourselves this night without reservation into your hands in the name of Yeshua our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ amen thank you
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