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Saturday, October 1, 2022

I Retook

 


a free spiritual gifts inventory on line.

You can too and I would strongly encourage you to do so :-).

spiritualgiftstest.com



Your Top Three Spiritual Gifts Defined

Apostleship

The spiritual gift of apostleship is sometimes confused with the office of Apostle. The office of Apostle was held by a limited number of men chosen by Jesus, including the twelve disciples (Mark 3:13-19) and Paul (Romans 1:1). The requirements for the office of Apostle included being a faithful eyewitness of Jesus’ ministry and His resurrection (Acts 1:21-22; 1 Corinthians 9:1), and being called by Jesus Himself (Galatians 1:1). The Apostles were given authority by Jesus to do many different things to establish the church, including writing Scripture and performing miracles (John 14:26, 2 Peter 3:15-16, 2 Corinthians 12:12).

There are no more that hold the office of Apostle today, but the gift of apostleship continues in a different sense. Jesus gave apostles, prophets, evangelists, shepherds and teachers at His ascension (Ephesians 4:7-12), and these represent a distinct category of apostles. They do not have the authority to write Scripture as the original Apostles did. They also have a different purpose in the sense of establishing the church – the foundation has already been set.

The mission for those with the gift of apostleship today is to plant new ministries and churches, go into places where the Gospel is not preached, reach across cultures to establish churches in challenging environments, raise up and develop leaders, call out and lead pastors and shepherds, and much more. They often have many different gifts that allow them to fulfill their ministry. These are leaders of leaders and ministers of ministers. They are influencers. They are typically entrepreneurial and are able to take risks and perform difficult tasks. Missionaries, church planters, certain Christian scholars and institutional leaders, and those leading multiple ministries or churches often have the gift of apostleship. See also Ephesians 4:11, I Corinthians 12:28, Acts 1:21-22, 1 Corinthians 9:1.



Prophecy

The spiritual gift of prophecy is an extraordinary and unique gift. Paul says in 1 Corinthians 14:1 to “Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy.” This gift is a blessing to the church and should not be quenched or despised (1 Thessalonians 5:20). Those who have the gift of prophecy differ from the Old Testament Prophets who spoke the authoritative Word of God directly. Their words were recorded as Scripture as they proclaimed, “Thus says The Lord,” whereas the messages from those with the spiritual gift of prophecy must be tested (1 Corinthians 14:29-33; 1 Thessalonians 5:20-21; 1 John 4:1-3). In the New Testament the Apostles, not the prophets, took over the role of Scriptural proclamation from the Old Testament Prophets.

The Greek word for the gift of prophecy is propheteia which is the ability to receive a divinely inspired message and deliver it to others in the church. These messages can take the form of exhortation, correction, disclosure of secret sins, prediction of future events, comfort, inspiration, or other revelations given to equip and edify the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 14:3-4, 24-25). Again, they do not constitute the authoritative Word of God, but are the human interpretation of the revelation that was received. They are spoken in human words through a human mind which is why they must be tested against the Scriptures (1 Thessalonians 5:20-21).

The Holy Spirit gives the gift of prophecy to some believers to make God’s heart known and to edify the church. This gift is for the benefit of both believers and unbelievers and is a sign that God is truly among His church (1 Corinthians 14:22-25). Those with this gift are sensitive to both the prompting of the Holy Spirit and the needs of the church body. They should be humble and continually study the Scriptures in order to test these revelations before speaking them. When they do speak, they should allow and even expect others to weigh what is said against the Scriptures and interpret the message accordingly. In this way the church may be continually built up together in unity (1 Corinthians 14:4, 26). See also Romans 12:6, 1 Corinthians 12:10, 14:1-5, Ephesians 4:11-12, 1 Peter 4:10-11.



Knowledge

The spiritual gift of knowledge is also known as the “word of knowledge” or “utterance of knowledge.” The Greek word for this gift is Gnosis and it simply means knowledge and understanding. The Scriptural emphasis in 1 Corinthians 12:8 is on the ability to speak this knowledge to others in a given situation. In the opening passages of 1 Corinthians, Paul spoke of knowledge and recognized that the highest form of knowledge among men is the Gospel of Jesus Christ (i.e. the testimony about Christ, cf. 1 Corinthians 1:4-7). What we can conclude then is the gift of knowledge is an understanding of the things in this world and in our lives that is founded in the Gospel and rooted in the Scriptures. This gift is closely related to the gift of wisdom which is alluded to by Paul in 1 Corinthians 1:18-31.

The Holy Spirit gives this spiritual gift to some believers to bring about understanding and to inform the church or individual believers. The person with this gift is usually well-versed in the Scriptures and often has much committed to memory. They can retain the truth and communicate it effectively at the appropriate times. The gift of knowledge allows a believer to relate the Scriptures, and particularly the Gospel of Jesus Christ, to all aspects of life in this world. They can see how it connects to every situation and circumstance and how the reality and truth of the Gospel is to inform every decision a Christian makes. See also 1 Corinthians 12:8; Romans 15:14; 2 Corinthians 2:14.


Wow...You think you're mind is blown?

Be me for a second.


Plenty more here to go on about in further detail later.

Links to scripture were deliberately all done using the New American Bible (Revised Edition) so that people could read the footnotes that accompany them, of which there are plenty.



Saturday, February 4, 2023

Lets go visit

 


 here for a moment:





And lets go to:

APOSTLESHIP

Literal Meaning: To be sent with a message.


Description:
 
The gift of Apostleship is
 the divine ability 
to start and oversee 
the development of new churches 
or ministry structures.


Distinctives:
Pioneer and establish new ministries or churches. 

Adapt to different surroundings by being culturally sensitive and aware.

Desire to minister to unreached people in other communities or countries.

Have responsibilities to oversee ministries 
or groups of churches.

Demonstrate authority and vision for the mission of
the church

Traits:

Adventurous
Entrepreneurial
Persevering
Adaptable 
Culturally sensitive
Risk-taking
Cause-driven

(Remind you of anybody?)

Cautions:
Should be aware that
misusing their authority can
quench the Spirit in others.

Need to be affirmed and
sent by the church.

Can be demanding and pessimistic
(Really? Well I Never heard the like...:-).


References: 


1 Corinthians 12:28-29


And God has placed in the church:
 first of all apostles, 
second prophets, 
third teachers, 
then miracles, 
then gifts of healing, 
of helping,
of guidance, 
and of different kinds of tongues. 
Are all apostles? 
Are all prophets? 
Are all teachers? 
Do all work miracles?


(My scores BTW

Apostleship 17
Prophecy 19
Teaching 18
Working Miracles 20

Draw your own inferences if you would like...

I asked my buddy's wife years ago:
"If God wanted you to work miracles?
doesnt it make sense that he would show you some first to see how you respond?
If you dont think they are possible?
You'll never see 'em. etc

The gifts change over time.
They are not set in stone.
What one was able to do in younger years 
they might not be able to do as much of 
or at all as they age etc...

ex. I'm pretty sure I would score higher on Hospitality if I retook that survey.)


Ephesians 4:11-12

So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up


Romans 1:5

Through him we received grace and apostleship to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from[a] faith for his name’s sake.



Acts 13:2-3

While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” So after they had fasted and prayed, they placed their hands on them and sent them off.



Lets review a few things  

and they are by no means all the "Evidence" 

I have at my disposal, 

just what I could find quickly to make a point:


"The gift of Apostleship is

 the divine ability 

to start and oversee the development of new churches..."


"Pioneer and establish new ministries or churches."


Written and posted 

April 14th 2018

Wow...just Wow...


"This?


“Sing, barren woman,

    you who never bore a child;

burst into song, shout for joy,

    you who were never in labor

because more are the children of the desolate woman

    than of her who has a husband,”


Lucy's never had a child.

(I told her a long time ago she was to give birth to a new church.)

Relates to this

Revelation 12:1-6"


(The dragon is Satan and he doesn't want the new church being born.)

"She gave birth to a son, a male child, who

“will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”

 

"Christ new church."


"I said the event that marks the start of the end times will be our wedding.

I said it will also denote the beginning of Christ new church.

I said where it will be.

And I said this is the church that churches should try and be like.

It's all written on here.

Somewhere lol.'


"My about to be wife that I have not spoke with in almost six years?

Here is something she wanted me to see today:




"I was like why is she, the woman here, (not Lucy), holding a sonogram lol.
I can't have kids anymore.
She's not exactly prime childbearing age.
(Sorry, said it as delicately as I knew how lol, Sara and Abraham anybody?)
What's the deal with the sonogram?
Couldn't figure it out lol.

Then it hit me.
New church you idiot.
To be so discerning?
I can sure be very dense sometimes lol."


"At some point?

people should realize, 

it's not me talking here."


Thats five references to me and honey 

starting a new church close to five years ago...


But wait!

There's more...


Written and posted on 

SEPTEMBER 25, 2017


"I"


Well guess what Lucy?

Most commentators got it wrong.

The child Virgo is giving birth to?

Represented by Jupiter being in her belly?

Not representative of Christ return, not the end of times, but rather, the beginning of the end times.

The child?

Christ new church on earth being born.

The appearance of the two witnesses signifies the event.

Revelation 11: 1-14

(The two witnesses)

There, like that spiritual gift now?

Yeah but you are still so wrong, the appearance of the two witnesses didn't happen that day.


Reexamine the verse:


Revelation 12:1-2.

A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.


She didn't give birth that day.

She was "about to".

The stars were a sign of what was about to happen.

(See Genesis 1:14)



Oh wait...

I still got more...


Written and posted on

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 21, 2018


Ezekiel 37 Commentary (a running post)

"Another type of resurrection would be the  of the Church during the end times, from an afflicted and persecuted state, to liberty and peace. Again, we just don't normally think of resurrection along these terms. Resurrected Church? Who ever heard of such a thing.



Thats seven references to Christ new Church four or almost five years ago...

So yeah...


"The gift of Apostleship is

 the divine ability 

to start and oversee the development of new churches..."


"Pioneer and establish new ministries or churches."


I'm still not done presenting evidence y'all...




If anyone does attack you, it will not be my doing;

    whoever attacks you will surrender to you.

“See, it is I who created the blacksmith

    who fans the coals into flame

    and forges a weapon fit for its work.


(Forged in the furnace of affliction...)


And it is I who have created the destroyer to wreak havoc;

(All things are created in and of and by and for 

his purposes alone...Colossians 1:16)


no weapon forged against you will prevail,

    and you will refute every tongue that accuses you.


This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord,

    and this is their vindication from me,”

declares the Lord.


It's really not all that complicated...It's really not.


I got one more and it doesn't relate to the Spiritual gift of Apostleship but I'm including it here as it relates to a body of evidence I am building that is pretty well irrefutable at this point.


And that is this:

Written and posted

TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 28, 2017

Alright

"Everybody already thinks I'm crazy enough anyway so here goes. Trust me, I wouldn't be saying this if I wasn't told to do so. Yes, this is the third post from my notes last night.

You be the guy/couple charged with announcing the start of the end times. Sounds fun right? Oh let, me tell ya it's a blast, sitting around with no running water, going broke, watching things fall apart all over the place. All I can tell people is this, the gift of prophecy? It's not a gift like telling the future, it's more like a gift of interpreting the events of the day."


I love you baby

To Be Continued...












Saturday, October 15, 2022

Spiritual Gift of Apostleship

 

Encyclopedia of bible words

APOSTLE

Many people are uncertain about the role of apostles. The meaning of the word is clear. But just who should be called an apostle and whether there are apostles today are questions that continue to be debated. We cannot answer all the technical questions that scholars ask. But the basic biblical meaning of apostleship is relatively clear.

1. The Greek word and its background

2. The apostles in the Gospels and Acts

3. The apostle Paul 

4. Other uses of "apostle" in the NT

5. Summary


1. The Greek word and its background. The Greek word that is most commonly translated "apostle" is apostolos. The verb apostello and a compound of it, exapostello, as well as a synonym, pempo, are sometimes used with the same meaning: to send one on a mission as an envoy.

At first these Greek words described the sending of a delegation of several representatives. Later the focus shifted, to emphasize the idea that an apostolos was the personal representative of the one sending him. Eventually apostolos came to be used in some Greek philosophical schools with a religious significance: the one sent spoke with divine authorization.

The translators of the Hebrew OT into Greek used apostello as the equivalent of a particular Hebrew verb that also expresses divine authorization to accomplish some well-defined and specific task. Apostolos is used in the Septuagint (the earliest extant Greek translation of books from the Hebrew Bible) some seven hundred times in this sense to fix our attention on God as the one who gives his envoy authority.

Apostello was very seldom used in ordinary conversation in NT times. Those familiar with the Greek translation of the OT immediately identified the word with the OT concept of divinely authorized messengers sent by God and acting on his authority.

The verb apostello is used 131 times in the NT, while pempo (usually synonymous) is used 81 times. The noun apostolos is also found frequently (81 times); it is translated "apostle" and helps us understand the nature of the special individuals who played such an important, foundational role in the establishment of the Christian church.


2. The apostles in the Gospels and Acts. The Gospels report that Jesus chose twelve men and designated them his apostles (Mt 10:2; Mk 3:14; Lk 6:13). These twelve were with Jesus through his years of earthly ministry and were witnesses to his resurrection. When Judas betrayed Jesus and then committed suicide, another was chosen to bring the number back to twelve. "It is necessary," " Peter explained, "to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, beginning from John's baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection" (Ac 1:21-22).

Both the qualifications and the mission of the Twelve are identified here. They had to be followers of Jesus from the beginning of his public ministry through his ascension, and they had to witness the fact of Jesus' resurrection.

In Acts we see the twelve apostles evangelizing (Ac 2), performing miracles (Ac 2:43; 5:12), teaching converts (Ac 2:42), and proposing a way for the church to create a structure needed to handle distribution to the needy so the apostles themselves could concentrate on prayer and the ministry of the Word (Ac 6:1-4). The apostles served not as rulers but as wise guides. They were not directors but were participants with the whole church in seeking God's guidance in the significant decisions affecting the believing community (Ac 11:1-18; 15:1-35).

The role and identity of the Twelve was never transformed into institutional roles or offices. The Twelve remain a group of a dozen unique individuals, and Revelation tells us the foundation of the heavenly Jerusalem will have engraved on them "the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb" (Rev 21:14)

3. The apostle Paul. While the Gospels and Acts focus on the Twelve, the Epistles introduce Paul as a thirteenth apostle, Paul too had seen the risen Jesus and thus could be a witness to his resurrection (Ac 9:1-6; 1 Co 15:3-7). Although not one of Jesus' original followers, Paul, like them received his commission directly from Jesus (Ac 26:15-18). Paul's commission was as a "herald and an apostle and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles (1Timothy 2.7) These functions parallel the ministry of the Twelve as described in Acts, but with the Greek world rather than the Jewish people as Paul's particular constituency (Gal 2:8). In a number of NT passages, Paul explains and defends his unique position as an apostle--one who by virtue of his calling spoke with God's own authority (1 Co 9; 2 Co 11-13; Gal 2). Peter clearly recognized the validity of Paul's claim: he classified Paul's letters with the "other Scriptures" (2 Pe 3:14- 16). In some significant sense, Paul ranks with the Twelve, and his apostleship is as unique as their own.


4. Other uses of “apostle” in the NT.

The term "apostle" is applied to the Twelve and to Paul in a distinctive way. The calling of these individuals to witness to the Resurrection and their com missioning by Christ himself make it plain that no institutional office is in view. The authority of Paul and of the Twelve was a unique authority and is without parallel in the church today. Yet is clear that the underlying concept of apostleship is extended in the NT beyond these thirteen. Luke speaks of "the apostles Barnabas and Paul" (Ac 14:14). Writing personal greetings at the end of his letter to the Romans, Paul identifies Andronicus and Junias as "outstanding among the apostles" (Ro 16:7). Paul also writes heatedly about persons who are "masquerading as apostles of Christ' (2 Co 11:13). This involved the apostles' claim to a significant role, for Paul says in 1 Co 12:28: "In the church God has appointed first of all apostles."

In general, the title "apostles’ identify the original Twelve, who maintain a unique calling and position and share it only with Paul. The NT indicates that others besides the apostles typically had an itinerant ministry related to both founding and strengthening new churches. It is quite likely that our modern term "missionary" is very close in meaning to the general use of "apostle in NT times. Perhaps one of the most significant uses of the word "apostle" in the NT is the reference to Jesus as "the apostle and high priest whom we confess" (Heb 3:1). 

5. Summary. "The apostles" are the twelve followers of Jesus whom he selected when he began his public ministry. Each of these twelve men observed all that Jesus said and did during his years of ministry on earth, and each was a witness to the Resurrection. The ministry of the Twelve in the early church focused on prayer and the teaching of the Word, not on organization or administration. Paul was an apostle in this same unique sense, having also seen the resurrected Jesus and having been personally called by Jesus to a ministry of evangelizing and teaching.

But "apostle" has general as well as specific meaning. An apostle is an envoy sent on a mission to speak for the one sending him and having the sender's own authority. Although not numbered with the apostles, other believers in the early church were considered apostles God's envoys, set apart for special ministry. These early apostles were itinerants, who founded and taught new churches much like modern missionaries.

There is no indication in the NT that the office of apostle was an institutional one or a role to be filled in the local congregation. There is no indication that other envoys, sent by churches to their mission fields, had an authority similar to that of the Twelve or of Paul.


Apostleship (Spiritual gifts survey)

The spiritual gift of apostleship is sometimes confused with the office of Apostle. The office of Apostle was held by a limited number of men chosen by Jesus, including the twelve disciples (Mark 3:13-19 ) and Paul (Romans 1:1). The requirements for the office of Apostle included being a faithful eyewitness of Jesus’ ministry and His resurrection (Acts 1:21-22; 1 Corinthians 9:1), and being called by Jesus Himself (Galatians 1:1). The Apostles were given authority by Jesus to do many different things to establish the church, including writing Scripture and performing miracles (John 14:26, 2 Peter 3:15-16, 2 Corinthians 12:12).

Acts 1:21-22

New American Bible (Revised Edition)

21 Therefore, it is necessary that one of the men who accompanied us the whole time the Lord Jesus came and went among us, 22 beginning from the baptism of John until the day on which he was taken up from us, become with us a witness to his resurrection.”

Mark 3:13-19

New American Bible (Revised Edition)

The Mission of the Twelve. 13 He went up the mountain[a] and summoned those whom he wanted and they came to him. 14 He appointed twelve [whom he also named apostles] that they might be with him[b] and he might send them forth to preach 15 and to have authority to drive out demons: 16 [c][he appointed the twelve:] Simon, whom he named Peter; 17 James, son of Zebedee, and John the brother of James, whom he named Boanerges, that is, sons of thunder; 18 Andrew, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, James the son of Alphaeus; Thaddeus, Simon the Cananean, 19 and Judas Iscariot who betrayed him.

Galatians 1:1

New American Bible (Revised Edition)

I. Address

Chapter 1

Greeting. 1 Paul, an apostle[b] not from human beings nor through a human being but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised him from the dead,

Footnotes

1:1 Apostle: because of attacks on his authority in Galatia, Paul defends his apostleship. He is not an apostle commissioned by a congregation (Philippians 2:25; 2 Cor 8:23) or even by prophets (1 Tm 1:18; 4:14) but through Jesus Christ and God the Father.

1:1 Slave of Christ Jesus: Paul applies the term slave to himself in order to express his undivided allegiance to the Lord of the church, the Master of all, including slaves and masters. “No one can serve (i.e., be a slave to) two masters,” said Jesus (Mt 6:24). It is this aspect of the slave-master relationship rather than its degrading implications that Paul emphasizes when he discusses Christian commitment

John 14:26

New American Bible (Revised Edition)

26 The Advocate, the holy Spirit that the Father will send in my name—he will teach you everything and remind you of all that [I] told you

2 Peter 3:15-16

New American Bible (Revised Edition)

15 And consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, as our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, also wrote to you, 16 speaking of these things[a] as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures.

Footnotes

3:16 These things: the teachings of this letter find parallels in Paul, e.g., God’s will to save (Rom 2:4; 9:22–23; 1 Cor 1:7–8), the coming of Christ (1 Thes 4:16–17; 1 Cor 15:23–52), and preparedness for the judgment (Colossians 1:22–23; Eph 1:4–14; 4:30; 5:5–14). Other scriptures: used to guide the faith and life of the Christian community. The letters of Paul are thus here placed on the same level as books of the Old Testament. Possibly other New Testament writings could also be included.


2 Corinthians 12:12

New American Bible (Revised Edition)

12 The signs of an apostle were performed among you with all endurance, signs and wonders, and mighty deeds.

Footnotes

12:12 Despite weakness and affliction (suggested by the mention of endurance), his ministry has been accompanied by demonstrations of power (cf. 1 Cor 2:3–4). Signs of an apostle: visible proof of belonging to Christ and of mediating Christ’s power, which the opponents require as touchstones of apostleship (2 Cor 12:11 skipping 😊; cf. 2 Cor 13:3).


1 Corinthians 2:3-4

New American Bible (Revised Edition)

3 I came to you in weakness[a] and fear and much trembling, 4 and my message and my proclamation were not with persuasive [words of] wisdom,[b] but with a demonstration of spirit and power,

Footnotes

2:3 The weakness of the crucified Jesus is reflected in Paul’s own bearing (cf. 2 Cor 10–13). Fear and much trembling: reverential fear based on a sense of God’s transcendence permeates Paul’s existence and preaching. Compare his advice to the Philippians to work out their salvation with “fear and trembling” (Phil 2:12), because God is at work in them just as his exalting power was paradoxically at work in the emptying, humiliation, and obedience of Jesus to death on the cross (Philippians 2:6–11).

2:4 Among many manuscript readings here the best is either “not with the persuasion of wisdom” or “not with persuasive words of wisdom,” which differ only by a nuance. Whichever reading is accepted, the inefficacy of human wisdom for salvation is contrasted with the power of the cross.

2 Corinthians 13:3

New American Bible (Revised Edition)

3 [a]since you are looking for proof of Christ speaking in me. He is not weak toward you but powerful in you.

Footnotes

13:3–4 Paul now gives another motive for severity when he comes, the charge of weakness leveled against him as an apostle. The motive echoes more closely the opening section (2 Cor 10:1–18) and the intervening development (especially 2 Cor 11:30–12:10). Proof of Christ speaking in me: the threat of 2 Cor 10:1–2 (Below) is reworded to recall Paul’s conformity with the pattern of Christ, his insertion into the interplay of death and life, weakness and power (cf. note on 2 Cor 12:10b).


2 Corinthians 10 1-18, INTRO

New American Bible (Revised Edition)

IV. Paul’s Defense of His Ministry[a]

Chapter 10

Accusation of Weakness.[b] 1 Now I myself, Paul, urge you through the gentleness and clemency of Christ,[c] I who am humble when face to face with you, but brave toward you when absent, 2 [d]I beg you that, when present, I may not have to be brave with that confidence with which I intend to act boldly against some who consider us as acting according to the flesh. 3 For, although we are in the flesh, we do not battle according to the flesh,[e] 4 for the weapons of our battle are not of flesh but are enormously powerful, capable of destroying fortresses. We destroy arguments 5 and every pretension raising itself against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive in obedience to Christ, 6 and we are ready to punish every disobedience, once your obedience is complete.

7 Look at what confronts you. Whoever is confident of belonging to Christ should consider that as he belongs to Christ, so do we.[f] 8 And even if I should boast a little too much of our authority, which the Lord gave for building you up and not for tearing you down, I shall not be put to shame. 9 [g]May I not seem as one frightening you through letters. 10 For someone will say, “His letters are severe and forceful, but his bodily presence is weak, and his speech contemptible.” 11 Such a person must understand that what we are in word through letters when absent, that we also are in action when present.

12 Not that we dare to class or compare ourselves with some of those who recommend themselves. But when they measure themselves by one another and compare themselves with one another, they are without understanding. 13 But we will not boast beyond measure but will keep to the limits[i] God has apportioned us, namely, to reach even to you. 14 For we are not overreaching ourselves, as though we did not reach you; we indeed first came to you with the gospel of Christ. 15 We are not boasting beyond measure, in other people’s labors; yet our hope is that, as your faith increases, our influence among you may be greatly enlarged, within our proper limits, 16 so that we may preach the gospel even beyond you, not boasting of work already done in another’s sphere. 17 “Whoever boasts, should boast in the Lord.” 18 For it is not the one who recommends himself who is approved,[k] but the one whom the Lord recommends.


Romans 1:1 

Paul as an apostle…

New American Bible (Revised Edition)

1 Paul, a slave of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God,

1:1–7 In Paul’s letters the greeting or praescriptio follows a standard form, though with variations. It is based upon the common Greco-Roman epistolary practice, but with the addition of Semitic and specifically Christian elements. The three basic components are: name of sender; name of addressee; greeting. In identifying himself, Paul often adds phrases to describe his apostolic mission; this element is more developed in Romans than in any other letter. Elsewhere he associates co-workers with himself in the greeting: Sosthenes (1 Corinthians), Timothy (2 Corinthians; Philippians; Philemon) Silvanus (1 Thessalonians—2 Thessalonians). The standard secular greeting was the infinitive chairein, “greetings.” Paul uses instead the similar-sounding charis, “grace,” together with the Semitic greeting šālôm (Greek eirēnē), “peace.” These gifts, foreshadowed in God’s dealings with Israel (see Nm 6:24–26), have been poured out abundantly in Christ, and Paul wishes them to his readers. In Romans the Pauline praescriptio is expanded and expressed in a formal tone; it emphasizes Paul’s office as apostle to the Gentiles. Rom 1:3–4 stress the gospel or kerygma, Rom 1:2 the fulfillment of God’s promise, and Rom 1:1, 5 Paul’s office. On his call, see Gal 1:15–16; 1 Cor 9:1; 15:8–10; Acts 9:1–22; 22:3–16; 26:4–18.

Romans1:5 

Pauls office

New American Bible (Revised Edition)

5 Through him we have received the grace of apostleship, to bring about the obedience of faith, for the sake of his name, among all the Gentiles,

Footnotes

1:5 Paul recalls his apostolic office, implying that the Romans know something of his history. The obedience of faith: as Paul will show at length in chaps. 6–8 and 12–15, faith in God’s justifying action in Jesus Christ relates one to God’s gift of the new life that is made possible through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and the activity of the holy Spirit (see especially Rom 8:1–11).


On his call,

Galatians 1:15-16

New American Bible (Revised Edition)

15 But when [God], who from my mother’s womb had set me apart and called me through his grace, was pleased 16 to reveal his Son to me, so that I might proclaim him to the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult flesh and blood,[a]

1:16 Flesh and blood: human authorities (cf. Mt 16:17 “Flesh and blood did not reveal this to you but my father in heaven’; 1 Cor 15:50 “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God”). Paul’s apostleship comes from God (Gal 1:1).


On his call,

1 Cor 9:1 

Paul’s Rights as an Apostle. 

1 Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? (You…you are my ordination papers…). 2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Footnotes?


On his call

1 Corinthians 15:8-10 ,

New American Bible (Revised Edition)

8 Last of all, as to one born abnormally, he appeared to me. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me has not been ineffective. Indeed, I have toiled harder than all of them; not I, however, but the grace of God [that is] with me.

2 Corinthians 2:16

New American Bible (Revised Edition)

16 to the latter an odor of death that leads to death, to the former an odor of life that leads to life. Who is qualified for this?

2:16b–17 Qualified: Paul may be echoing either the self-satisfied claims of other preachers or their charges about Paul’s deficiencies. No one is really qualified, but the apostle contrasts himself with those who dilute or falsify the preaching for personal advantage and insists on his totally good conscience: his ministry is from God, and he has exercised it with fidelity (faithfulness to a person, cause, or belief, demonstrated by continuing loyalty and support). and integrity (the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness.) (cf. 2 Cor 3:5–6)


2 Corinthians 3:5-6

New American Bible (Revised Edition)

5 Not that of ourselves we are qualified to take credit for anything as coming from us; rather, our qualification comes from God, 6 who has indeed qualified us as ministers of a new covenant, not of letter but of spirit; for the letter brings death, but the Spirit gives life

2 Corinthians 11:23

New American Bible (Revised Edition)

23 Are they ministers of Christ? (I am talking like an insane person.) I am still more, [b] with far greater labors, far more imprisonments, far worse beatings, and numerous brushes with death.

Footnotes

11:23a Ministers of Christ…I am still more: the central point of the boast (cf. note on 2 Cor 11:5). Like an insane person: the climax of his folly.

11:23b–29 Service of the humiliated and crucified Christ is demonstrated by trials endured for him. (Sepsis? Immune deficient, during covid? Sepsis kills a lot of healthy people) This rhetorically impressive catalogue enumerates many of the labors and perils Paul encountered on his missionary journeys.


On his call,

Acts 9:1-22  

(were all about vs 15 here , Saul’s conversion, baptism and preaching)

New American Bible (Revised Edition)

15 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for this man is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before Gentiles, kings, and Israelites”

Proverbs 22:29 Do you see a man skilled in his work? He will be stationed in the presence of kings; he will not stand before obscure men. “Who jah bless? No one curse…” Isaiah 54:17 No instrument formed against you shall prosper and you will refute every tongue that accuses you. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their vindication is from Me,” declares the LORD. …


On his call

Acts 22:14-15 , (3-16)…

Ananias speaking, he has regained his sight, 3-16

14 Then he said, ‘The God of our ancestors designated you to know his will, to see the Righteous One, and to hear the sound of his voice; 15 for you will be his witness[a] before all to what you have seen and heard.


On his call

Acts 26:16-18  …(4-18)

, after blinding light, falling to ground, asking who it was, Christ tells him who he is and then says, and I think its highly appropriate:

16 Get up now, and stand on your feet. I have appeared to you for this purpose, to appoint you as a servant and witness of what you have seen [of me] and what you will be shown.[c] 17 I shall deliver you from this people and from the Gentiles to whom I send you, 18 to open their eyes[d] that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may obtain forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been consecrated by faith in me.’

Footnote:

To open their eyes: though no mention is made of Paul’s blindness in this account (cf. Acts 9:8–9, 12, 18; 22:11–13), the task he is commissioned to perform is the removal of other people’s spiritual blindness.


There are no more that hold the office of Apostle today, but the gift of apostleship continues in a different sense. Jesus gave apostles, prophets, evangelists, shepherds and teachers at His ascension (Ephesians 4:7-12), and these represent a distinct category of apostles. They do not have the authority to write Scripture as the original Apostles did. They also have a different purpose in the sense of establishing the church – the foundation has already been set.

(All in favor of a revisionist/apostolic church? Im a premillennial post Tribulationist which places my hermeneutics squarely in-between metaphorical/allegorical and literal. Problem becomes I see allegory/metaphor where others see literal and I see literal where others see metaphorical/allegorical. I'm an odd duck basically, guess what? The original ones were too.)

The mission for those with the gift of apostleship today is to plant new ministries and churches, go into places where the Gospel is not preached, reach across cultures to establish churches in challenging environments, raise up and develop leaders, call out and lead pastors and shepherds, and much more. They often have many different gifts that allow them to fulfill their ministry. These are leaders of leaders and ministers of ministers. They are influencers. They are typically entrepreneurial and are able to take risks and perform difficult tasks. Missionaries, church planters, certain Christian scholars and institutional leaders, and those leading multiple ministries or churches often have the gift of apostleship. See also Ephesians 4:11, I Corinthians 12:28, Acts 1:21-22, 1 Corinthians 9:1.

Ephesians 4:7-12

New American Bible (Revised Edition)

Diversity of Gifts. 

7 But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift. 8 Therefore, it says: “He ascended[a] on high and took prisoners captive; he gave gifts to men.” 9 What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended into the lower [regions] of the earth? 10 The one who descended is also the one who ascended far above all the heavens, that he might fill all things. 11 [b]And he gave some as apostles, others as prophets, others as evangelists, others as pastors and teachers, 12 to equip the holy ones for the work of ministry,[c] for building up the body of Christ,


1 Corinthians 12:28

New American Bible (Revised Edition)

28 Some people God has designated in the church to be, first, apostles;[a] second, prophets; third, teachers; then, mighty deeds; then, gifts of healing, assistance, administration, and varieties of tongues.

Footnotes

12:28 First, apostles: apostleship was not mentioned in 1 Cor 12:8–10, nor is it at issue in these chapters, but Paul gives it pride of place in his listing. It is not just one gift among others but a prior and fuller gift that includes the others. They are all demonstrated in Paul’s apostolate, but he may have developed his theology of charisms by reflecting first of all on his own grace of apostleship (cf. 1 Cor 3:5–4:14; 9:1–27; 2 Cor 2:14–6:13; 10:1–13:30, esp. 1 Cor 11:23 and 12:12).



Definition of charism

: an extraordinary power (as of healing) given a Christian by the Holy Spirit for the good of the church


Bible reference .com 2 Corinthians 3

2 Corinthians chapter 3

New International Version

1 Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, like some people, letters of recommendation to you or from you? 2 You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by everyone. 3 You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

4 Such confidence we have through Christ before God. 5 Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. 6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant--not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

12 Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. 13 We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. 16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.


What does 2 Corinthians chapter 3 mean?

Eager for the Corinthians to understand that he is not promoting himself, Paul wants them to look at themselves to validate his role as an apostle of Jesus. Their own lives should serve as all the evidence they need that Paul delivered not himself but Christ to them. After all, they have become living, breathing letters of recommendation for him and his co-workers. They are letters written by Christ with the Holy Spirit instead of ink on human hearts instead of tablets (2 Corinthians 3:1–3).

Paul insists this is not because of his own strength and skill. He and his friends are not "sufficient" to carry out this work. They are not specially qualified, in and of themselves. They're not boosted by their own power. All their sufficiency comes from the power of God. He is the one who has empowered and enabled them to be ministers of the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:4–6).

Paul compares the new covenant of salvation by faith in Christ through God's grace with the old covenant between God and Israel. He describes that old covenant as a ministry of death carved in letters on stone. It came with true glory. It was God's revelation of Himself, after all, to the Israelites. The glory was so powerful that the Israelites could not even bear to look at the reflection of it on Moses' face after he spent time with God. It was a ministry of death, though, because it required the death of an animal to pay for every sin Israel committed. It revealed that sinful human beings cannot lead the righteous lives required by God to see His glory (2 Corinthians 3:7).

The glory of the new covenant of God's grace and forgiveness for sinners through faith in Christ far surpasses the glory revealed by the old covenant of the law. That old ministry of condemnation for sin was being brought to an end, while the ministry of righteousness received as a gift through Christ will go on forever. It reveals a glory that is permanent (2 Corinthians 3:8–11).

Because Paul is a minister of the new covenant, which allows those in Christ to see God's glory, Paul can be far more bold than Moses. As a minister of the old covenant, Moses had to cover his face with a veil in order to protect the sinful Israelites from seeing the glory of God. That veil is still there. It stands between those who are not in Christ and the glory of God. It can only be removed by the Holy Spirit through Christ for those who turn to Him in faith (2 Corinthians 3:12–17).

Those in Christ look at Him with unveiled faces. To see Christ in this way is to see the glory of God on earth. It begins a transformation, changing those who look on Him to becoming like Him, over time, by the power of the Holy Spirit (2 Corinthians 3:18).


“What would be their credentials Andrew?” 

Same as Paul’s I said , I  meant the hardships/persecutions/endurance…etc…given by God…the proof is in the pudding and the religious leaders of the today don’t like it one bit…

I don’t put to much faith in pieces of paper, be it $ or credentials or being a “learned” individual, worlds to full of educated derelicts… 

Calvin Coolidge said, 

“Nothing in the world will take the place of persistence. 

Talent will not. 

The world is full of unsuccessful people with talent. 

Education will not. 

The world is full of educated derelicts. 

Genius will not. 

Unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. 

The slogan press on has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.”


And same as Peters… 

ACTS 3:10 

It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. 11 Jesus is “‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”13 When they saw the courage of Peter and John and realized that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished and they took note that these men had been with Jesus…18 Then they called them in again and commanded them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus. 19 But Peter and John replied, “Which is right in God’s eyes: to listen to you, or to him? (Credentials guy?) You be the judges! 20 As for us, we cannot help speaking about what we have seen and heard.”


Just a bohemian biker space cadet highly endowed with the grace of God for a purpose…etc…


Iron in your words…

Ten Bears: These things you say we will have, we already have.

Josey Wales: That's true. I ain't promising you nothing extra. I'm just giving you life and you're giving me life. And I'm saying that men can live together without butchering one another.

Ten Bears: It's sad that governments are chiefed by the double tongues. There is iron in your words of death for all Comanche to see and so there is iron in your words of life. No signed paper can hold the iron. It must come from men. The words of Ten Bears carries the same iron of life and death. It is good that warriors such as we meet in the struggle of life... or death. It shall be life… 


I might add, and it shall be abundant…



Sunday, October 28, 2018

Brother Joes



Sermon series on fruits of the spirit continued with sermon #8.

"Faithfulness."


Your actions will show you belong to the truth.

1st Corinthians 4:1-2

The Nature of True Apostleship
This, then, is how you ought to regard us: as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the mysteries God has revealed. Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful.

Revelation 2:10

Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you life as your victor’s crown.

Faithfulness is God's focus. 
God puts faithfulness before ability or talent.
God gives power, ability,wisdom,knowledge etc to his faithful.
God is looking for his faithful.

The original Greek word for faithfulness has three meanings all which apply.

1) Be persuaded.
2) Obey
3) Continue

Deuteronomy 7:9 

Know therefore that the Lord your God is God; he is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commandments.

Proverbs 25:13 

Like a snow-cooled drink at harvest time
    is a trustworthy messenger (faithful) to the one who sends him;
    he refreshes the spirit of his master.

So yeah.
Things have kinda hit me pretty hard today.
Wait till I tell you in DM about the conversation with Brother Joe that preceded the service.
Things will make even more sense.

I told Brother Joe afterwards I needed to hear what he spoke.
He had a serious look on his face like:
"Good."
We shook hands and went on about our Sunday.


Thursday, March 28, 2024

The

 Holy Spirit

 has, 

can 

and if need be

will 

drop Christians dead in their tracks

if need be.


(Not something you hear to many sermons on.

No wonder right?

God bless Bro Joe for preaching on this BTW)


So you don't think so?

Well what other parts of scripture do you wanna contest then?


Acts 5

Ananias and Sapphira

Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property.  With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet.


Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”


(The question you might wanna ask yourself is this:

How did Peter know that Ananias kept 

some of the money for him and his wife?

Notice it doesn't say anybody told him so.

Just that 

"you have lied to the Holy Spirit".

Peter knew 

by the power of the spirit 

alive and working in him

what had been done with the money.)


When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. Then some young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him.


About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. Peter asked her, “Tell me, is this the price you and Ananias got for the land?”

“Yes,” she said, “that is the price.”

Peter said to her, 

“How could you conspire 

to test the Spirit of the Lord? 


(Sound familiar?

Sure does to me.)


Listen! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also.”

At that moment she fell down at his feet and died. Then the young men came in and, finding her dead, carried her out and buried her beside her husband. Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard about these events.


This is the early church of which 

Ananias and Sapphira were involved in otherwise why would they be selling land and giving $ to it?


They were Christians

who conspired 

to test the will of God

and were knocked down dead 

because they did.


"Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard about these events."


(Seems a lil familiar too TBH)


It was to teach the early church members a lesson. You are messing with the power that created the universe and the owner and giver of the life force. Mess around with it and see what happens to you.


Looks like I'm in good company when I say I'm a big fan of killing ants with a sledgehammer, it keeps the other ants in line.


And to those who would say?


"Yeah but you don't know...

you shouldn't say..."


fill in your own blank, 

etc.


Heres my response:

How did I know everything else 

that has been proven true

over years 

even though 

I shouldn't have been able to

have known it?


Please come clue me in.

All ears.


One simple answer.

THE SAME WAY PETER KNEW.


APOSTLESHIP


Literal Meaning: 

To be sent with a message.


"Well I still don't think you should have...etc"


Would you have told Peter

that he should have done things 

differently?


The same power is in play 

here 

and now 

lest I remind you:


"When Ananias heard this, 

he fell down and died.

"At that moment 

she fell down at his feet and died."


Seems like Satan is itching for somebody to be next if you ask me. I've been saying for years its gonna happen again...keep messing with the power of the holy spirit working through somebody and you'll see what's gonna happen to you.


And while were at it?

As you look around at your empty churches on this Easter Sunday?


Remember this:

7 out of 10 

"Christians" 

don't believe in the resurrection.


So why are they even there?


Being a goody two shoes

and going to church 

and bible study 

every time the doors open

and being a song leader

or a youth director

or a Sunday School teacher

and living as good 

and as sinless a life 

as you possibly can


WILL NOT

DO ANYTHING


to get you admitted 

into the kingdom of God.


Ephesians 2:8

For it is 

by grace you have been saved, 

through faith

and this is not from yourselves, 

it is the gift of God.


No faith in Gods grace

(Unmerited favor)

given to you?


No admittance into the kingdom.


No matter how sinless a life you lead.


That is making it dependent upon your actions. That's heresy.

And if that was the case? Then there's no need for Christ to have died and been resurrected.


(And no that doesn't mean its okay to just keep on sinning willy nilly ect, it means you will try not to sin, even though he already knows youre gonna continue. The point is to do the best you can and understand that you are no more deserving of Gods grace than the addict face down in the street in their own vomit on Sunday morning.


(Something a lot of uppity "Christians" seem all to willing to forget.)


Matthew 7:22-23


Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, 

did we not prophesy 

in your name and in your name 

drive out demons 

and in your name 

perform many miracles?’ 

Then I will tell them plainly, 

‘I never knew you. 

Away from me, you evildoers!’


See what they did?

They made it about what they did

instead of what was done for them 

that they didn't deserve.


(Grace, unmerited favor, 

eternal life with your creator.)


I love you honey.

:-).